Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Since 2000, the Buffalo Bills win/loss record against the Patriots has been 3-23…Ouch!!! Since the start of the millennium, the Bills have faced three New England Quarterbacks: Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, while the Patriots faced the following Bills Quarterbacks: Doug Flutie, Rob "Robosack" Johnson, Alex "The Doughboy" Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcomb, JP Losman, Trent "Captain Checkdown" Edwards, and Ryan "The Amish Popgun" Fitzpatrick. The Bills were 1-1 against Bledsoe in 2000, before Tom Brady took over as the Patriots starting QB in 2001. Since Tom Brady took over, he has amassed a 20-2 record against the Buffalo Bills, throwing for 52 TD's and 17 INT's in that timeframe. Even Matt Cassel went 2-0 against the Bills in 2008 while Tom Brady suffered a season ending knee injury in Week 1 against the Kansas City Chiefs. In the 26 games played since 2000 between the Bills and Patriots, the Patriots have had greater success against the Bills in their second divisional matchup of the year 10 out of 13 times. Let's take a look at the scores of the first divisional games of the year against the Patriots since 2000: · BUF 16 – NE 13 (Bledsoe) (Home) · NE 21 (Home) – BUF 11 · NE 38 – BUF 7 (Home) · BUF 31 (Home) – NE 0 · NE 31 – BUF 17 (Home) · NE 21 (Home) – BUF 16 · NE 19 (Home) – BUF 17 · NE 38 (Home) – BUF 7 · NE 20 (Cassel) (Home) – BUF 10 · NE 25 (Home) – BUF 24 · NE 38 (Home) – BUF 30 · BUF 34 (Home) – NE 31 · NE 52 – BUF 28 (Home) To add it all up, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 347-242 (105 point difference). If you take out the two games Brady didn't play against the Bills, the Patriots still outscored the Bills 314-216 (98 point difference). Now here's where it gets ugly folks, the scores of the second divisional games against the Patriots: · NE 13 (Bledsoe) – BUF 10 (Home) · NE 12 –BUF 9 (Home) · NE 27 (Home) – BUF 17 · NE 31 (Home) – BUF 0 · NE 29 (Home) – BUF 6 · NE 35 – BUF 7 (Home) · NE 28 – BUF 6 (Home) · NE 56 – BUF 10 (Home) · NE 13 (Cassel) – BUF 0 (Home) · NE 17 – BUF 10 (Home) · NE 34 – BUF 3 (Home) · NE 49 (Home) – BUF 21 · NE 37 (Home) – BUF 31 To add it all up, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 381 – 130 (251 point difference) in the second divisional matchup since 2000. Take away the two games Brady did not play in against the Bills, the Patriots outscored the Bills 355 – 120 (235 point difference). In the 26 games played since 2000, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 728 – 372 (a 356 point difference). In the words of the late Ronnie James Dio: "LOOK OUT!" By looking at the scores, it's painfully obvious that the Bills have played better against the Patriots in their first divisional matchup of the year. What also confirms that even further, is that the Bills are 3-10 against the Patriots in the first divisional matchup of the year, vice 0-13 in their second divisional matchup of the year. The last time the Bills beat the Patriots in their second divisional matchup of the year, was on December 26, 1999, when the Bills (led by Doug Flutie) defeated the Patriots (led by Drew Bledsoe) 13-10 in overtime. So, if the Bills have any chance of beating the Patriots in 2013, their best chance will come this Sunday at 1:pm. Edited September 4, 2013 by Jerry Jabber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So basically.... the Patriots are good, and the Bills suck. Science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 So basically.... the Patriots are good, and the Bills suck. Science. Thanks Captain Obvious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I like numbers and all, I just don't like looking at ours against the Pats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 I like numbers and all, I just don't like looking at ours against the Pats! Trust me, it was painful adding up all the stats. It would be great if we could start to see the stats (more importantly, wins) start to lean more towards the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Everyone rips on Fitz when he's the only QB we've had since Flutie to beat the Pats. Classic TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 Everyone rips on Fitz when he's the only QB we've had since Flutie to beat the Pats. Classic TBD. The last Bills QB to beat the Pats was Drew Bledsoe in 2003 (31-0). Fitz is a backup at best. I liked Fitz and wanted him to succeed, but he was very inaccurate and inconsistent beyond 15 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Regression to the mean, baby. It's got to happen sometime, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Regression to the mean, baby. It's got to happen sometime, doesn't it? I hope so, it would be great to start racking up some wins against Brady before he retires, that way he can have more than just the Buffalo hotels to b*tch about! Edited September 3, 2013 by Jerry Jabber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Regression to the mean, baby. It's got to happen sometime, doesn't it? Yep. Look at Miami in the 70's versus them in the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Everyone rips on Fitz when he's the only QB we've had since Flutie to beat the Pats. Classic TBD. Fitz was a "swell guy" but that is where it stops. Only reason we won was b.c our defense finally had more turnovers then Fitz allowed. Edited September 3, 2013 by Meatloaf Sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So you are reminding us that this is a very lopsided series? I had been wondering if the Bills really sucked that bad and the record shows that they did. Good, let's hope there is a new era being ushered in. The Pats have have been the top of the heap in the AFCE for a long time but you do have to wonder if their presence at the top of the heap in the NFL has been exaggerated by just how bad the rest of the AFCE has been. Over the same time period how have the Jests and the Fins looked against them? While better than the Bills no doubt they have looked bad also. The climb to the playoffs and dare I say the SB starts in your own division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Fitz was a "swell guy" but that is where it stops. Only reason we won was b.c our defense finally had more turnovers then Fitz allowed. The last Bills QB to beat the Pats was Drew Bledsoe in 2003 (31-0). Fitz is a backup at best. I liked Fitz and wanted him to succeed, but he was very inaccurate and inconsistent beyond 15 yards. Except when he threw for 369 yards, and 2 TD's with a 9.2 YPA. He played fantastic that game, and was a major factor in the comeback when we were down 14-0 and facilitated the game winning drive. He may have been inconsistent as heck, but we haven't had a QB play that well in a game since 2001. We'd be 2-24 without him. Edited September 3, 2013 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Wait, the Bills haven't played well against the Pats???? Except when he threw for 369 yards, and 2 TD's with a 9.2 YPA. He played fantastic that game, and was a major factor in the comeback when we were down 14-0 and facilitated the game winning drive. He may have been inconsistent as heck, but we haven't had a QB play that well in a game since 2001. We'd be 2-24 without him. Yup. Fitz was money that game (and it helped him get a bunch). If only he had a consistent arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 last two years offense put up the points D cant stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 Except when he threw for 369 yards, and 2 TD's with a 9.2 YPA. He played fantastic that game, and was a major factor in the comeback when we were down 14-0 and facilitated the game winning drive. He may have been inconsistent as heck, but we haven't had a QB play that well in a game since 2001. We'd be 2-24 without him. In 2001, the Bills had Robosack Johnson and AVP, I hope you're not referring to either one of those guys?! Flutie's last year in Buffalo was in 2000. In regards to Fitz, the coaching staff should have left his throwing mechanics alone as they did more harm than good. last two years offense put up the points D cant stop them. I hope Pettine is plugging the gashing wounds because the defense has been atrocious over the last 3 years, and in the Redskins preseason game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 That unblemished second game record just shows how important it is to use footage of the other teams signs that is current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I can't imagine someone putting this much time in without designating home/away. Can this data be updated to include home away status if the games? On one hand I am excited to dig into the data to see if I can discern any trends on my own. On the other hand a central parameter - where the game is played - is not summarized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 That 56-10 Sunday night game was one of the worst moments in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 That 56-10 Sunday night game was one of the worst moments in history. I agree! I want to see the Bills do that to the Pats in Foxboro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) I can't imagine someone putting this much time in without designating home/away. Can this data be updated to include home away status if the games? On one hand I am excited to dig into the data to see if I can discern any trends on my own. On the other hand a central parameter - where the game is played - is not summarized. Just updated the original post to show the home team. Here's where you can find the scores of the Bills vs Pats: http://www.footballdb.com/teamvsteam.html?tm=19&opp=4 Edited September 4, 2013 by Jerry Jabber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 its time to change that trend I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Since 2000, the Buffalo Bills win/loss record against the Patriots has been 3-23…Ouch!!! Since the start of the millennium, the Bills have faced three New England Quarterbacks: Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, while the Patriots faced the following Bills Quarterbacks: Doug Flutie, Rob "Robosack" Johnson, Alex "The Doughboy" Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcomb, JP Losman, Trent "Captain Checkdown" Edwards, and Ryan "The Amish Popgun" Fitzpatrick. The Bills were 1-1 against Bledsoe in 2000, before Tom Brady took over as the Patriots starting QB in 2001. Since Tom Brady took over, he has amassed a 20-2 record against the Buffalo Bills, throwing for 52 TD's and 17 INT's in that timeframe. Even Matt Cassel went 2-0 against the Bills in 2008 while Tom Brady suffered a season ending knee injury in Week 1 against the Kansas City Chiefs. In the 26 games played since 2000 between the Bills and Patriots, the Patriots have had greater success against the Bills in their second divisional matchup of the year 10 out of 13 times. Let's take a look at the scores of the first divisional games of the year against the Patriots since 2000: · BUF 16 – NE 13 (Bledsoe) (Home) · NE 21 (Home) – BUF 11 · NE 38 – BUF 7 (Home)· BUF 31 (Home) – NE 0 · NE 31 – BUF 17 (Home)· NE 21 (Home) – BUF 16 · NE 19 (Home) – BUF 17· NE 38 (Home) – BUF 7 · NE 20 (Cassel) (Home) – BUF 10 · NE 25 (Home) – BUF 24 · NE 38 (Home) – BUF 30 · BUF 34 (Home) – NE 31 · NE 52 – BUF 28 (Home) To add it all up, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 347-242 (105 point difference). If you take out the two games Brady didn't play against the Bills, the Patriots still outscored the Bills 314-216 (98 point difference). Now here's where it gets ugly folks, the scores of the second divisional games against the Patriots: · NE 13 (Bledsoe) – BUF 10 (Home) · NE 12 –BUF 9 (Home) · NE 27 (Home) – BUF 17 · NE 31 (Home) – BUF 0 · NE 29 (Home) – BUF 6 · NE 35 – BUF 7 (Home) · NE 28 – BUF 6 (Home) · NE 56 – BUF 10 (Home) · NE 13 (Cassel) – BUF 0 (Home) · NE 17 – BUF 10 (Home) · NE 34 – BUF 3 (Home) · NE 49 (Home) – BUF 21 · NE 37 (Home) – BUF 31 To add it all up, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 381 – 130 (251 point difference) in the second divisional matchup since 2000. Take away the two games Brady did not play in against the Bills, the Patriots outscored the Bills 355 – 120 (235 point difference). In the 26 games played since 2000, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 728 – 372 (a 356 point difference). In the words of the late Ronnie James Dio: "LOOK OUT!" By looking at the scores, it's painfully obvious that the Bills have played better against the Patriots in their first divisional matchup of the year. What also confirms that even further, is that the Bills are 3-10 against the Patriots in the first divisional matchup of the year, vice 0-13 in their second divisional matchup of the year. The last time the Bills beat the Patriots in their second divisional matchup of the year, was on December 26, 1999, when the Bills (led by Doug Flutie) defeated the Patriots (led by Drew Bledsoe) 13-10 in overtime. So, if the Bills have any chance of beating the Patriots in 2013, their best chance will come this Sunday at 1:pm. Oh they say that it's over, yeah And it just had to be Oh they say that it's over Poor lost children of the sea, yeah LOOK OUT! the sky is falling down! LOOK OUT! The world is spinning round and round and round! LOOK OUT! The sun is going black, black LOOK OUT! It's never never never coming back, LOOK OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 So basically.... the Patriots are good, and the Bills suck. Science. Analytics at work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 3-23..... So we've got a chance!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Oh they say that it's over, yeah And it just had to be Oh they say that it's over Poor lost children of the sea, yeah LOOK OUT! the sky is falling down! LOOK OUT! The world is spinning round and round and round! LOOK OUT! The sun is going black, black LOOK OUT! It's never never never coming back, LOOK OUT! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Oh they say that it's over, yeah And it just had to be Oh they say that it's over Poor lost children of the sea, yeah LOOK OUT! the sky is falling down! LOOK OUT! The world is spinning round and round and round! LOOK OUT! The sun is going black, black LOOK OUT! It's never never never coming back, LOOK OUT! Now THAT'S a good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MavBavButav Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 "Never tell me the odds." - HS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 That 56-10 Sunday night game was one of the worst moments in history. To make things worse, that game time was moved to Sunday night cause the network thought that it would be a close game. That game made me embarrassed to be a Bills fan, first time I ever felt like that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 To make things worse, that game time was moved to Sunday night cause the network thought that it would be a close game. That game made me embarrassed to be a Bills fan, first time I ever felt like that..... Not only were the Bills unable to generate anything on offense, the defense was not able to have 1 stop the entire game as the Pats went for it on every fourth down (when they were in FG territory) and scored a TD on all their offensive possessions. Worst game I ever attended/saw as a Bills fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I can only remember two wins, the Lawyer Milloy Sam Adams game and the comeback two years ago which one am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 I can only remember two wins, the Lawyer Milloy Sam Adams game and the comeback two years ago which one am I missing? Since 2000, the Bills beat the Pats 3 times, the first time was in 2000 when Drew Bledsoe was the Pats QB, and you got the other 2. I gringe whenever I see Brady's win/loss record against the Bills (20-2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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