Virgil Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 When McKelvin got his roughly 5mil a year, many of us were not happy about it. He was pretty bad in coverage and definitely not someone we wanted as a #2 cover. Most of the rationale was that we actually only paid him 2.5 mil as a cb and 2.5 mil as a returner. From what he showed last year, possibly worth it. Now that we have Goodwin, who I'm going to assume is taking those jobs, is the McKelvin deal still looking okay to you? To me, the only reason it's okay is that we are amazingly shallow at the cb position and don't have any other options at this point. If we did, I'd personally say that the deal was terrible now that we have a possibly even better returned that we are barely paying. I'm pretty sure we could have used that 5 mil to throw at another CB or contributing player. It's all a moot point, but just something I was thinking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 If McKelvin plays well this year, it's a good deal. Kick return abilities aside, he's really being paid to cover receivers, and if he is still struggling, then it's time to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Now that we have Goodwin, who I'm going to assume is taking those jobs, is the McKelvin deal still looking okay to you? I assume that McKelvin at least keeps punt returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 If McKelvin plays well this year, it's a good deal. Kick return abilities aside, he's really being paid to cover receivers, and if he is still struggling, then it's time to replace him. Something like that. As much as I hate to say it, McKelvin really is the second best option for an outside corner that we have. We took no one for the position during the draft, two of our brighter prospects (Brooks and Robey) seem ideally suited to be used in nickel and dime packages. We are dangerously thin at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 When McKelvin got his roughly 5mil a year, many of us were not happy about it. He was pretty bad in coverage and definitely not someone we wanted as a #2 cover. Most of the rationale was that we actually only paid him 2.5 mil as a cb and 2.5 mil as a returner. From what he showed last year, possibly worth it. Now that we have Goodwin, who I'm going to assume is taking those jobs, is the McKelvin deal still looking okay to you? To me, the only reason it's okay is that we are amazingly shallow at the cb position and don't have any other options at this point. If we did, I'd personally say that the deal was terrible now that we have a possibly even better returned that we are barely paying. I'm pretty sure we could have used that 5 mil to throw at another CB or contributing player. It's all a moot point, but just something I was thinking about You've missed a few things here. We are still relatively thin at CB on the outside...Goodwin has only returned KO's and only a few of them at that. McKelvin's strength is on PR's...There is certainly promise for Goodwin, but it's a little early to start declaring him a great return guy. Personally I think McKelvin should be a Nickle CB, with a guy who has better down field skills and size playing on the outside. However there is still a ton of talent in McKelvin, so I am happy he is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 i still think McKelvin will be the main punt returner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 McKelvin was an ABSOLUTE monster last year on special teams.... Lets not forget so soon.. should finally show up at CB now with any pressure from the front this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It will be interesting watching McKelvin playing with the benefit of a pass rush for the first time in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 When McKelvin got his roughly 5mil a year, many of us were not happy about it. He was pretty bad in coverage and definitely not someone we wanted as a #2 cover. Most of the rationale was that we actually only paid him 2.5 mil as a cb and 2.5 mil as a returner. From what he showed last year, possibly worth it. Now that we have Goodwin, who I'm going to assume is taking those jobs, is the McKelvin deal still looking okay to you? To me, the only reason it's okay is that we are amazingly shallow at the cb position and don't have any other options at this point. If we did, I'd personally say that the deal was terrible now that we have a possibly even better returned that we are barely paying. I'm pretty sure we could have used that 5 mil to throw at another CB or contributing player. It's all a moot point, but just something I was thinking about Actually, you don't want your starters returning kicks....injury considerations. Goodwin is a better choice because of depth at WR (never thought I'd say that) We are thin at CB, and as good as McKelvin is at returns, we need him worse as a healthy CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 It will be interesting watching McKelvin playing with the benefit of a pass rush for the first time in his career. Great point, SJBF, I never thought of that. ...am I bad person for starting to get really excited again for the season, even with EJ hurt and Bradham not knowing where the best place is to store and smoke pot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I think the OP is getting way ahead of reality on Goodwin. We are only two preseason games into the season. Ask me about McKelvin VS Goodwin on returns 5 or 6 real games into the season if Goodwin is better than McKelvin on both punt and kickoff returns. We need to see a game history comparison to make an informed decision. If McKelvin does not make it as a CB under our new system and coaches this year this is our hit to release him after this year : Dead money: McKelvin 2014 $3,000,000 2015 $2,000,000 2016 $1,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 No Mckelvin is proven talent and athleticism unmatched in this league. He has stepped on to a field many times and proven he is among the fastest in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Just re-iterating some previous thoughts, here, but I've always been a believer in McKelvin. The guy has lightning speed and he covers very well. He just needs to turn around to look for the damn ball more. Improved coaching/schemes/pass rush will undoubtedly help McKelvin and Gilmore. I loved the contract extension when it happened and still do. His returning skills are just a sweet bonus. In short .. Goodwin does not make me rethink the McKelvin deal. It's a fair question, though. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 You can never have enough speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Does the deal look bad in hindsight, perhaps, but there was no way of knowing how good Goodwin would be. Plus, only preseason. McKelvin has done it in the regular season. And he has good cover skills, just TERRIBLE ball skills. Those can be corrected with proper coaching. The talent is there, hopefully it comes together this year. If so, we got a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't think he can return and play corner. Those awesome returns take alot out of a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I have a feeling McKelvin is poised for a good year as CB2 in Pettine's system. And if Butler or Robey kick him inside, I feel even more confident saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 SJBF you are correct with the pass rush. I will take that a little further but along the same thought process...better coaching in general for Leodis. He has tremendous talent. Lets see what this staff is able to get out of him. I think Leodis will benefit from having a better D staff that knows how to coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't think he can return and play corner. Those awesome returns take alot out of a guy. unless he scores, the offense comes on to the field, so Leo heads strait to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't know that I would necessarily say he's bad in coverage, at least in terms of keeping up with receivers and staying on their hip/closing quickly enough to make a play. What he does have trouble with is actually making a play. He seems to often be in great position to swat the ball away, or make an interception and it seems like he just misjudges the ball at the last moment. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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