Wayne Cubed Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Kiper/McShay's mock draft 2.0 is out and here is the top 15(yes it's still too early): McShay 1. Chiefs - Star Lotulelei 2. Jaguars - Bjoern Werner 3. Raiders - Dee Milliner 4. Eagles - Luke Joeckel 5. Lions - Dion Jordan 6. Cardinals - Eric Fisher 7. Browns - Barkevious Mingo 8. Bills - Geno Smith 9. Jets - Jarvis Jones 10. Titans - Chance Warmack 11. Chargers - Lane Johnson 12. Dolphins - Kenny Vaccaro 13. Bucs - Damontre Moore 14. Panthers - Sharrif Floyd 15. Saints - Ezekiel Ansah Kiper 1. Chiefs -Luke Joeckel 2. Jaguars - Damontre Moore 3. Raiders - Star Lotulelei 4. Eagles - Dee Milliner 5. Lions - Jarvis Jones 6. Cardinals - Bjoern Werner 7. Browns - Eric Fisher 8. Bills - Alec Ogletree 9. Jets - Dion Jordan 10. Titans - Barkevious Mingo 11. Chargers - Jonathan Cooper 12. Dolphins - Cordarrelle Patterson 13. Bucs - Manti Te'o 14. Panthers - Sheldon Richardson 15. Saints - Sharrif Floyd Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Wow. I cannot even fathom a scenario where no QB is taken in the top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Wow. I cannot even fathom a scenario where no QB is taken in the top 15. I can. They're all terribly mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Wow. I cannot even fathom a scenario where no QB is taken in the top 15. I can't either. Obviously free agency will determine some of this, but I can't see the Cardinals passing on a QB especially if they get their ist choice of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Wow. I cannot even fathom a scenario where no QB is taken in the top 15. I'm with you. Every year there is a run on QB's. Guys that are supposed to be 2nd rounders get taken in the top 10. Teams always reach for a QB if they think that is the guy they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Lande has Nassib #1 on his list of 200 best prospects for the draft. We have 1 QB going in RD1,and he goes to Philly at #4. He or Nassib I'm fine with at #8, pending their combine and pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I can't either. Obviously free agency will determine some of this, but I can't see the Cardinals passing on a QB especially if they get their ist choice of them. With Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd being a first round pick, I would think that they will really push to get Alex Smith. How long is Fitzgerald supposed to wait for a real QB? Is he supposed to wait a few years for the rookie to be good enough? I think the Bills and Cards will be the top teams trying to get Alex Smith. If the Bills get Smith then I could see them drafting Cordarrelle Patterson with the #8 pick. The lines have been bolstered the last couple of years and now is the time for the QB and WR situation to be solidified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 8. Bills - Alec Ogletree All I can think of when I see this name is Ogie Ogilthorpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 all i can say is I hope Mcshay is right..............Geno at 8 and our draft is a win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Lande has Nassib #1 on his list of 200 best prospects for the draft. We have 1 QB going in RD1,and he goes to Philly at #4. He or Nassib I'm fine with at #8, pending their combine and pro day. You must be kidding. There is nothing special about Nassib. Maybe you could say his NFL ceiling is him being as good as Dalton or Fitzpatrick, but that's about it. He's not fast, he's not athletic, his arm is just ok, his deep throws are not good at all. He looks scared when there's pressure. He was petrified in the Senior Bowl. What is special about him that makes you think he's a franchise player? Here's an exercise in judging a potential draftable QB...if he were to be drafted by a team in my division would I be worried for the Bills? Would you worry about the Jets drafting Nassib? The Pats? Not only would I not worry, I'd welcome it! Would I worry if the Pats or Jets picked Tyler Wilson or EJ manuel. Yes I would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 There is nothing special about Nassib. Maybe you could say his NFL ceiling is him being as good as Dalton or Fitzpatrick, but that's about it. He's not fast, he's not athletic, his arm is just ok, his deep throws are not good at all. He looks scared when there's pressure. He was petrified in the Senior Bowl. What is special about him that makes you think he's a franchise player? This is the exact same thing people said about Tom Brady going into the draft. I'm not saying Nassib compares to Brady. I'm saying that nobody knows for sure about any of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I like both of these new choices MUCH BETTER than Manti Teo. I'd be happy with either Smith or Ogletree, but lean heavily towards Smith if he is still there at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 This is the exact same thing people said about Tom Brady going into the draft. I'm not saying Nassib compares to Brady. I'm saying that nobody knows for sure about any of these guys. Tom Brady had shown the ability to bring back his college teams with his arm. What was revealed in the "The Brady Six" was that NFL teams were freaked out that he kept losing his job the Henson and that he looked so skinny and frail in person. Comparing Nassib with Brady is ridiculous. Nassib's successes came from the short, quick, one read college passing system. Brady's successes came from an NFL-like system where you have to challenge the defense with deep throws. Nassib's deep throws look horrible and rarely accurate. I get that people want Ryan Nassib to be a "Johnny Football" local boy savior for the Bills but the video just doesn't lie. His ceiling is Andy Dalton, a guy who will always be an average NFL quarterback. However I don't think he will ever reach that ceiling since his long throws are no where close to what Dalton's were when he came out of college. You can't teach that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) This is the exact same thing people said about Tom Brady going into the draft. I'm not saying Nassib compares to Brady. I'm saying that nobody knows for sure about any of these guys. This is irony, right? They said that about Brady, which is why he was a SIXTH ROUNDER. Why in hell would you draft a guy like that #8, given that it's impossible to identify a Brady?? I'd be pretty happy with Kiper's draft - get the LB they're desperate for and no QB's taken so lots of opportunity to trade back up or grab one in the second. Edited February 7, 2013 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooper Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 No way Smith falls to 8. I think Alec would be a solid add. Oh yeah and theres this: In September 2010, Ogletree was arrested and charged with misdemeanor theft stemming from a June incident of a stolen scooter helmet. Ogletree was suspended by Georgia for the first game of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 No way Smith falls to 8. I think Alec would be a solid add. Oh yeah and theres this: In September 2010, Ogletree was arrested and charged with misdemeanor theft stemming from a June incident of a stolen scooter helmet. Ogletree was suspended by Georgia for the first game of the season Agreed, and Id be willing to trade up to #3 if he lasts that long. If Smith doesnt go 1 or 2, then we need to get in before the Eagles and Cardinals, and before anyone else trades up. WRT the Ogletree arrest, that don't concern me much. Or at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Kiper/McShay's mock draft 2.0 is out and here is the top 15(yes it's still too early): McShay 1. Chiefs - Star Lotulelei 2. Jaguars - Bjoern Werner 3. Raiders - Dee Milliner 4. Eagles - Luke Joeckel 5. Lions - Dion Jordan 6. Cardinals - Eric Fisher 7. Browns - Barkevious Mingo 8. Bills - Geno Smith 9. Jets - Jarvis Jones 10. Titans - Chance Warmack 11. Chargers - Lane Johnson 12. Dolphins - Kenny Vaccaro 13. Bucs - Damontre Moore 14. Panthers - Sharrif Floyd 15. Saints - Ezekiel Ansah Kiper 1. Chiefs -Luke Joeckel 2. Jaguars - Damontre Moore 3. Raiders - Star Lotulelei 4. Eagles - Dee Milliner 5. Lions - Jarvis Jones 6. Cardinals - Bjoern Werner 7. Browns - Eric Fisher 8. Bills - Alec Ogletree 9. Jets - Dion Jordan 10. Titans - Barkevious Mingo 11. Chargers - Jonathan Cooper 12. Dolphins - Cordarrelle Patterson 13. Bucs - Manti Te'o 14. Panthers - Sheldon Richardson 15. Saints - Sharrif Floyd Discuss. Oglethorpe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'd be delighted with either of these choices. I think Geno Smith is going to be a very good NFL QB and I like the LB Ogletree as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Love the Kiper pick, when need a a stud at middle linebacker, I am a Cuse fan but don't like taking Nassib first. I wait till second round and take best available QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Chris Brown stated on the radio yesterday that he spoke with Nix during the season and Nix stated Smith only was told to read half the field and make a decision. Brown intimated basically that Nix may think he's limited mentally because he said the Wonderlic and other team test will impact opinions on QBs like Smith. I've stated it endless times, give me a QB with a Wonderlic above 22. No QB has ever won a Super Bowl with a score less than that (based on scores I have found). In any case, you can win regular season games and even the occassional playoff game but if you think you can win a Super Bowl with one of these low teens athletic freaks, you're wrong. And sure a high scores are no guarantee (see: Fitzpatrick, Ryan) but if you're going to pick a QB to win with and build around, skip the Losmans (11 or so his first time)!!! Just to show you: Flacco - 27 Brady - 33 Rodgers - 35 E Manning - 39 P Manning - 28 Brees - 28 Roethlisberger - 25 I won't waste time collecting the scores of all the first round busts and some decent playoff game winners. But the bottomline appears to be that Super Bowl wins are positively correlated to higher wonderlics. If I were a GM, I wouldn't waste a pick on a guy below about 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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