ThurmasThoman Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I hate the pats* however their accomplishments are undeniable unless your a conspiracy theorist. since the patriots last superbowl win, the steelers have 2 superbowls and the giants have 2 superbowls the patriots owned the first part of the 2000s, for sure. ANNNNND that was a decade ago. the rest of the football world has moved on--are bills fans ready to yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 since the patriots last superbowl win, the steelers have 2 superbowls and the giants have 2 superbowls the patriots owned the first part of the 2000s, for sure. ANNNNND that was a decade ago. the rest of the football world has moved on--are bills fans ready to yet? Does that tarnish their run though? Or does it merely mean that arguably it's over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 so who's "era" is this? If the Giants made the playoffs this year you could argue that it was their "dynasty." There are not supreme teams in the NFL that get it done, the best team in the NFL is - sadly - the Patriots. they still beat teams, they still knock teams out of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Between this, and your last comment about the AFCE being gimmes.... There's a certain degree of self loathing in being a bills fan for you, eh? By your standards we've been unsuccessful at best and seemingly pathetic most of the time by your own measure. Ummmm....that would be correct. Pretty obvious, no? Love to watch the Pats lose... Still they have owned the Bills. Which is why you love to see them lose. It would suck to have success measured only by Super Bowl wins. That is how THEY are measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Basically what they've done is allow for a hell of a lot of "yeah, buts" when talking about how good they've been. Must drive Patriots fans crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Three Super Bowl wins in four years. No one else has done that. So, yes, they have to be considered a dynasty from 2001-2004. However, since then the Pats* have had more than their share of playoff failures. The best night I ever saw on this board was five years ago, and we all know what that was. Tom Brady is 36, Belichick is 60 and will be 61 before the season starts. I think the long, slow decline of the New England Patriots began tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 That is just complete and utter nonsense. Both the Jets and Dolphins had numerous 9-10-11 win seasons in the last 11 years since the Patriots started their run. Yeah.......they've been challenged yearly by their division opponents. Tom Brady is 36, Belichick is 60 and will be 61 before the season starts. I think the long, slow decline of the New England Patriots began tonight. Hopefully not toooo long, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Not long ago, the *Pats seemed to have one of the all-time great dynasties of all-time. Since then, they posted a perfect regular season, only to lose in the SB. Got caught in the spygate scandal. Lost another SB to the Giants and now have lost the AFC title game at home to the Ravens. How do you think history will judge the Belichick/Brady era? Will they win another SB? Discuss... I'll be happy just to see them lose their strangle hold on the AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 That is how THEY are measured. Yes, because they are a great franchise that consistently wins. Don't you want to be measured that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Their defense continues to let them down. Excellent point. We can talk about the cheating all day long. Putting that aside for now, when the Patriots lost all those veteran players on defense during their Super Bowl winning years, it greatly affected the team. They still have not replaced guys like Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, & Richard Seymour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Excellent point. We can talk about the cheating all day long. Putting that aside for now, when the Patriots lost all those veteran players on defense during their Super Bowl winning years, it greatly affected the team. They still have not replaced guys like Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, & Richard Seymour. They never replaced Randy Moss either. And now Randy has a shot at another ring. Bellicheat hasn't hit all home runs on personnel moves either. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yes, because they are a great franchise that consistently wins. Don't you want to be measured that way? Yes. Yes I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Three Super Bowl wins in four years. No one else has done that. XXVII Jan. 31, 1993 Rose Bowl Dallas 52, Buffalo 17 XXVIII Jan. 30, 1994 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) Dallas 30, Buffalo 13 XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 Joe Robbie Stadium San Francisco 49, San Diego 26 XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Sun Devil Stadium (Tempe, Ariz.) Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17 Edited January 21, 2013 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yes. Yes I do. Me too. XXVII Jan. 31, 1993 Rose Bowl Dallas 52, Buffalo 17 XXVIII Jan. 30, 1994 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) Dallas 30, Buffalo 13 XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 Joe Robbie Stadium San Francisco 49, San Diego 26 XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Sun Devil Stadium (Tempe, Ariz.) What's this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Show me someone with a better decade Giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) XXVII Jan. 31, 1993 Rose Bowl Dallas 52, Buffalo 17 XXVIII Jan. 30, 1994 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) Dallas 30, Buffalo 13 XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 Joe Robbie Stadium San Francisco 49, San Diego 26 XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Sun Devil Stadium (Tempe, Ariz.) Oops, you're right. One of two teams to do it. The Cowboys won Super Bowls 27, 28, and 30. It's late and I'm too lazy to type Roman Numerals. Edited January 21, 2013 by TheFourHorsemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Oops, you're right. One of two teams to do it. Aaah, he didn't list them correctly, but he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Three Super Bowl wins in four years. No one else has done that. So, yes, they have to be considered a dynasty from 2001-2004. However, since then the Pats* have had more than their share of playoff failures. The best night I ever saw on this board was five years ago, and we all know what that was. Tom Brady is 36, Belichick is 60 and will be 61 before the season starts. I think the long, slow decline of the New England Patriots began tonight. They still have the clearest path to the AFC East Title next year, but eventually they will slow down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Three Super Bowl wins in four years. No one else has done that. So, yes, they have to be considered a dynasty from 2001-2004. However, since then the Pats* have had more than their share of playoff failures. The best night I ever saw on this board was five years ago, and we all know what that was. Tom Brady is 36, Belichick is 60 and will be 61 before the season starts. I think the long, slow decline of the New England Patriots began tonight. Pretty much the same comments about the imminent decline,That people wrote after they lost the super bowl last year. This year they lost the AFC championship. I would not bet today, that the pats* won't be there next year. Deep in the playoffs. And sweeping at least one AFCE team next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 They never replaced Randy Moss either. And now Randy has a shot at another ring. Bellicheat hasn't hit all home runs on personnel moves either. PTR That is true as well. However, the Patriots offense continues to thrive with soon-to-be ex-Patriot Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez & Brandon Lloyd. Whereas the defense at many times looks suspect. Remember the Bills put up 31 points on them the second time they played this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 That is true as well. However, the Patriots offense continues to thrive with soon-to-be ex-Patriot Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez & Brandon Lloyd. Whereas the defense at many times looks suspect. Remember the Bills put up 31 points on them the second time they played this year. Still, they scored only 13 points tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Still, they scored only 13 points tonight. Yes, and you have to give the Ravens defense a lot of credit. The Patriots did move the ball and got into scoring range many times, yet only got 1 TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 They never replaced Randy Moss either. And now Randy has a shot at another ring. Bellicheat hasn't hit all home runs on personnel moves either. PTR ReallY? Moss? Since Moss left, Brady has thrown for over 18,000 yards and 134 TDs..in 4 seasons. I don't think they miss him much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 ReallY? Moss? Since Moss left, Brady has thrown for over 18,000 yards and 134 TDs..in 4 seasons. I don't think they miss him much. Fitz went to Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I don't think they are tarnished one bit. They still won 3 Super Bowls and something like 10-11 AFC Eash Divison crown and 6 AFC Championships. All dynasties come to an end with a Thud and may be this is the beginning of the end of that era for the Patriots Please remember how Kelly ended his career (On the hard cold turf of RWS) That is true. Remember when the Steelers dynasty of the 70's ended? Steelers fans don't like to talk about the 80's. Although the 49'ers were still a strong Super Bowl contending team even after the 80's. It wasn't until the late 90's that they began to fall apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Sad thing is it will be age and retirements that will allow the Bills to catch the Pats, and nothing that we will have done over the past decade plus. Even if we turn it around in '13, we will never have really gone toe to toe with Bellisith and Brady when they were in their prime, never kicked them in the teeth (certainly not while lying on the turf having just completed a QB slide). Just imagine if the Bills could have given us a Kelly/Marino type of rivalry with the Pats. Instead, we are kinda waiting for them to call it quits so we can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yes, and you have to give the Ravens defense a lot of credit. The Patriots did move the ball and got into scoring range many times, yet only got 1 TD. There were on the Baltimore side 9 times and in the Redzone 6 times, came away with 1TD and 2 FG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Perhaps, but Brady is getting old too. He's not the same guy at 30 whatever as he was in 2002. No matter how much ESPN and the rest of the media jerk him off... oh so right. Back in 2002 when he was a game manager? C'mon. He hasn't been won a SB since becoming a dominant QB. Just like Ben Rapelisberger, he was a game manager when they won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 oh so right. Back in 2002 when he was a game manager? C'mon. He hasn't been won a SB since becoming a dominant QB. Just like Ben Rapelisberger, he was a game manager when they won. Brady was considered a game manager in the Super Bowl against the Rams, but that was it. Roethlisberger was considered a game manager as a rookie, but not beyond then and certainly not during either of their SB wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Brady was considered a game manager in the Super Bowl against the Rams, but that was it. Roethlisberger was considered a game manager as a rookie, but not beyond then and certainly not during either of their SB wins. without actually looking up the stats I think you'd be proven wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 ??? Am I allowed to look up the stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Not long ago, the *Pats seemed to have one of the all-time great dynasties of all-time. Since then, they posted a perfect regular season, only to lose in the SB. Got caught in the spygate scandal. Lost another SB to the Giants and now have lost the AFC title game at home to the Ravens. How do you think history will judge the Belichick/Brady era? Will they win another SB? Discuss... Don't think they will win another but they are one of the best organizations hands down. What is really important to me is seeing defenses catch up to the spread and now we can get back to real physical hard nosed smash mouth football. Death to the spread long live SmashMouth!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The Patriots were excellent on defense from 2001-2004. They cheated to look good on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 ??? Am I allowed to look up the stats? The first Super Bowl Big Ben won he was the statistically worst qb in all of the Super Bowls to win. On my phone so I can't link the stats. Second Super Bowl however he want the game manager and led the game winning drive including the td throw to Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 And she hates football. PTR and she is my wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) The first Super Bowl Big Ben won he was the statistically worst qb in all of the Super Bowls to win. On my phone so I can't link the stats. Second Super Bowl however he want the game manager and led the game winning drive including the td throw to Holmes. In 12 games as a 2nd year player during the 2005 season, Ben had 2385 yds, 17 TDs, 9 INTs and a 62.7% comp. He had a terrible Super Bowl, and the Steelers won by the skin of some terrible officiating. Neither Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger were considered "game managers" aside from very early in their careers--- essentially the first 2 seasons for each. I'm not really sure what the argument is. Edited January 21, 2013 by Punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 They never replaced Randy Moss either. And now Randy has a shot at another ring. Bellicheat hasn't hit all home runs on personnel moves either. PTR You know Moss plays a very limited role in SF? Or is hating on the Pats more important than facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) The first Super Bowl Big Ben won he was the statistically worst qb in all of the Super Bowls to win. On my phone so I can't link the stats. Second Super Bowl however he want the game manager and led the game winning drive including the td throw to Holmes. Tom Brady's statistics were actually very Fitzpatrick'esque up until 2005 at which point he has t win a Super Bowl since. 28 TDs and 14 Ints with approx 3,600 yards remind you of anybody? Hmmm. http://m.nfl.com/players/stats/BRA371156/tom-brady/ Big Ben had 17 TDs and 15 Ints in his BETTER year they win the SB. With just over 3,300 yards. http://m.nfl.com/players/stats/ROE750381/ben-roethlisberger/ Care to argue your point any further???? Didnt think so. With the exception of 1 season (besides the year he was injured in the first game) Brady has statistically destroyed the seasons he won Super Bowls in. Bens worst seasons as a pro were also the seasons he won his 2 Super Bowls. That's the argument here. Edited January 21, 2013 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Tom Brady's statistics were actually very Fitzpatrick'esque up until 2005 at which point he has t win a Super Bowl since. 28 TDs and 14 Ints with approx 3,600 yards remind you of anybody? Hmmm. http://m.nfl.com/pla...1156/tom-brady/ Big Ben had 17 TDs and 15 Ints in his BETTER year they win the SB. With just over 3,300 yards. http://m.nfl.com/pla...roethlisberger/ Care to argue your point any further???? Didnt think so. I see your point but IMO Ben led a great drive to win the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Tom Brady's statistics were actually very Fitzpatrick'esque up until 2005 at which point he has t win a Super Bowl since. 28 TDs and 14 Ints with approx 3,600 yards remind you of anybody? Hmmm. http://m.nfl.com/pla...1156/tom-brady/ Big Ben had 17 TDs and 15 Ints in his BETTER year they win the SB. With just over 3,300 yards. http://m.nfl.com/pla...roethlisberger/ Care to argue your point any further???? Didnt think so. Is this some kind of joke? Passing statistics have increased exponentially over the past decade. Fitz' stats in 2011-12 would have been top 10 or even top 5 in 2002-05. Tom Brady was not considered a game manager in 2003-04. Ben Roethlisberger was not a game manager. Your point is what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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