pimp 2 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 What? You got him for a quarter of Kelly's asking price? Great job Rus. Ralph The more things change, the more they stay the same...color me very skeptical! I hope it works for our organization but on the surface this smells of a marketing move. His overall record 25-25 in the Big East (11-17 conference wise) does not seem to inspire the demand for a jump to the NFL as HC, IMO. It seems that the Bills organization has a high opinion of themselves but they have absolutely NOTHING to support their reasoning. Let's see if this guy can bring in some coordinators on both sides of the ball that can match wits with Billicheat, Rex & Philbin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Did Chip Kelly do that? Hell no. He inherited a top 10 & kept it rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 To the first question, YES. And it is very frustrating. He is Gailey 2.0 as far as situational situations go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Any given Sunday. Maybe 5 or 6 wins. Even Jauron won 7. Any given Sunday is fair enough... Especially in a league where the level of talent across teams is, for the most part, fairly close. And while I'll readily admit that Marrone wasn't my first choice, he did field winning teams for a college program that was coming off of consecutive double-digit loss seasons in a relatively short period of time - and by no one's account did SU have a particularly talented roster. In fact, from what I've read about him so far, he sounds like a guy who is highly respected throughout the league - and he does have NFL experience as both, a player, and a coach. Drew Brees seems to think more highly of Marrone than you do. You don't know me from Adam, nor I you, so understand that it's nothing personal, but I find myself valuing Brees' thoughts on our new coach much more than I do yours. Will Marrone lead Buffalo to a Super Bowl win? I hope so, but given that only 1 in 32 coaches each year leads their team to hoisting a Lombardi, the odds are certainly against him. That being said, wouldn't you agree that it's a bit premature to bury the guy and claim his hiring is "the worst possible thing that could have happened" before he's even held his first minicamp OTA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) answering your question with a question, if he had won anything, would we even have a chance at him? Touché my kind sir.. I gracefully bow out.. I guess winners stick with winners and since we not winners we get leftovers... Edited January 6, 2013 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Look up the Lovie Smith thread. This guy has zero to offer beyond what he's been posting here. LS: "I don't like X" TSW: "Why? Can you provide some support / facts / evidence for your position?" LS: "X sucks." TSW: "about that evidence?" LS: "it's not my fault that you're delusional." One cannot argue or converse with a brick wall. I'm guessing Literate Stylish didn't lead a turnaround for the SU debate team in college. You probably shouldn't lie about someone when there is still proof that what you say is not the case. Here is a post of mine from the Lovie thread. How many of those 10 wins were against playoff teams? I'll give you a minute.... 1-5 against playoff teams 9-1 against non-playoff teams (Rams, Jaguars, Lions(2x), Cardinals, Panthers, Titans, Cowboys) He beat some of the worst teams in the entire NFL and got beat by the good ones. That 10-6 record doesn't sound so great anymore, huh? No reason right? No evidence right? Keep lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 My thoughts on the hire: 1] There is a lot to like about him, and not a lot to dislike, but a lot to be very concerned over because he hasn't done it yet. 2] He surely is ready for it. Was there any coach who got four different teams into him? 3] The big key is who he brings in a DC. That may tell a lot about his entire staff. 4] I read somewhere last week, although I don't know the source, that it was Whaley who was really behind the Marrone pick at the start. 5] I like the young, different offensive thinking, aggressive guy. That's the best part of it. 6] He definitely knows the NFL, from his pedigree, and it's obviously great that a lot of guys like him. The thing we don't know is do they just like him as a guy or as a football mind. Everyone loved Jauron and Chan, too, but it was because they were great guys more than great coaches. 7] It matters not what we think now. It matters how he does, probably the second half of his first season. 8] Nassib is an unknown to me, so I will reserve judgment on that. 9] This is not a marketing hire at all, and it's really foolish to think so. 10] Let's start building a staff! Again, Kelly has done a great job on summarizing my thoughts as well. I like that he is fiery, will be a Head Coach and NOT calling plays. I like how he turned SU around, I like that he was a coach in the NFL (granted he was the Saints version of Curtis Modkins). Learning and working closely with Brees and Sean Payton is a damn good thing and his Jets Olines were pretty damn good as well. I thought he was the biggest darkhorse of them all. None of the candidates out there blew my socks off (I did want Chuckie); but I am ok with this hire. I am very interested to see what his coaching staff will be like though. I also suppose Nassib might be our QB of the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 To the first question, YES. And it is very frustrating. He is Gailey 2.0 as far as situational situations go. Situational situations? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 To be fair, that's not something that is widely publicized, is it? Typically, yes, it's 100% known whether the OC or HC is the play caller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Situational situations? GO BILLS!!! LOL that does sound funny. I mean: Punting from the 37 yard line. Passing on 3rd and 1. Running on 3rd and 10 (one of my biggest pet peeves - draw plays on 3rd and 10). Typically, yes, it's 100% known whether the OC or HC is the play caller. You dont watch much college do you? Its much different than the NFL. For the record, Marrone did NOT call the plays when he was the Saints offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) But the ultimate question is, does he punt from inside the opponents forty? Does Nassib (sp?) have a strong arm? Nassib has a strong arm, but that's putting the QB in front of the draft, isn't it? I don't recall getting ticked off about him punting rather than going for a first down. I've seen LS's posts but it didn't job my memory. What you have to know is what was the game situation? What are the capabilities of the kicker (it's college, you may be outside his accurate range). If anyone expects to agree with 100% of coaching decisions they will be disappointed. Edit...you also have to factor in how the Syracuse defense was playing in a specific game. If they were dominating punting isn't a bad thing, is it? Edited January 6, 2013 by Beerball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Doesn't matter to NoSaint. He just wants to find a reason - any reason - to discredit my points. Good one. The problemis you is think you have him figured out as a coach but don't seem to know much beyond end results. Those only tell so much of the story. Why not learn more about him instead of going nuts and throwing a tantrum about it Edited January 6, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Listening to reporters who have covered SU, it is clear that he changed the culture of losing in Syracuse and that he has the reputation for developing players. Ex: Chandler Jones and probably improving Nassib's draft position in April. He was in demand, interviewed by Browns twice and the Chargers were preparing an offer and on the Eagles radar as well. Will he be a successful NFL HC, who knows? But for once I am glad the Bills are thinking outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I don't mind this. He destroyed Geno Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Typically, yes, it's 100% known whether the OC or HC is the play caller. Really? I don't think I could tell you who call the plays for Alabama or Notre Dame. Can you? Not trying to argue with you but it is true that the Head Coach is ultimately responsible. Even Beerball has stated the same things concerning some questionable playcalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Listening to reporters who have covered SU, it is clear that he changed the culture of losing in Syracuse and that he has the reputation for developing players. Ex: Chandler Jones and probably improving Nassib's draft position in April. He was in demand, interviewed by Browns twice and the Chargers were preparing an offer and on the Eagles radar as well. Will he be a successful NFL HC, who knows? But for once I am glad the Bills are thinking outside the box. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 LOL that does sound funny. I mean: Punting from the 37 yard line. Passing on 3rd and 1. Running on 3rd and 10 (one of my biggest pet peeves - draw plays on 3rd and 10). You dont watch much college do you? Its much different than the NFL. For the record, Marrone did NOT call the plays when he was the Saints offensive coordinator. Watch plenty. And yes, I was a saints season ticket holder so I'm aware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Really? I don't think I could tell you who call the plays for Alabama or Notre Dame. Can you? Not trying to argue with you but it is true that the Head Coach is ultimately responsible. Even Beerball has stated the same things concerning some questionable playcalling. He is used to the NFL where it is known. He doesnt realize college is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGB Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 If Russ Brandon wants to regionalize the Bills, maybe he should scrap the Toronto series and schedule a game in the Carrier Dome. It wouldn't be a surprise if they played at least an exhibition game there - but that might expand the television blackout area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 LOL that does sound funny. I mean: Punting from the 37 yard line. Passing on 3rd and 1. Running on 3rd and 10 (one of my biggest pet peeves - draw plays on 3rd and 10). You dont watch much college do you? Its much different than the NFL. For the record, Marrone did NOT call the plays when he was the Saints offensive coordinator. Each one of those situations depends on the situational circumstance precluding it. There are perfectly legitimate reasons for a coach to decide to do any of those things. That's not a defense of Gailey's decisions, only a different way of saying, "never say never." GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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