KOKBILLS Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Every team in the NFL could have drafted Russell Wilson. But only the Bills are idiots for passing. We'll see...Time will tell...But IF Wilson turns into a Top 10 QB, and Fitz continues to be...well...Fitz...There is no question The Bills are going to take some lumps for Drafting Graham ahead of Wilson...Heck they had extra Picks...They could have made something happen and come away with both Wilson and Graham...We're only talking about moving up from the 4th to the 3rd...It's not that hard, and it does not cost a ton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) I remember when fans said the Bills reached on Kyle Williams. Some had him as going undrafted Thank Jauron for the Williams pick. He begged Marv to draft him in the 4th but Levy liked Ko Simpson too much so he was the pick. A round later Kyle Williams was still there so Marv caved and picked the LSU tackle, but Jauron only drafts defensive backs right. Edited August 28, 2012 by auburnbillsbacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 We'll see...Time will tell...But IF Wilson turns into a Top 10 QB, and Fitz continues to be...well...Fitz...There is no question The Bills are going to take some lumps for Drafting Graham ahead of Wilson...Heck they had extra Picks...They could have made something happen and come away with both Wilson and Graham...We're only talking about moving up from the 4th to the 3rd...It's not that hard, and it does not cost a ton... No one really saw Seattle drafting a QB, they had TJ and just signed Flynn with a $10 mill bonus.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Wilson threw a lot of balls up for grabs in the game I saw and it's not clear he can make all the throws. Throws a lot of floaters into zone coverage. Could be a matter of tone before GE had a 4 pick performance. Graham has looked ever bit of a 3rd round pick in terms of polish. I gave been pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Here's what I find ironic: Those of you banging the drum about the team "reaching" for T.J. Graham are doing so based on someone's non-NFL-front-office-personnel pre-draft rankings. The same folks are blasting the Bills for not taking Russell Wilson based on...what exactly? If pre-draft rankings are good enough to lambaste the team for picking Graham too early, why doesn't the same logic apply to Wilson, who was pretty much a consensus 4-6 round pick? http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=5707 http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/prospects/qb.html http://walterfootball.com/draft2012QB.php Mike Mayock, who many of you are quoting in reference to Graham being a "7th round guy", didn't have Wilson among his top 100 players: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings I did manage to find one site that rated Wilson a borderline 3rd rounder though: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2012&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Well to respond to the title of this thread, Wilson doesn't even enter the equation. My opinion of a "reach pick" would be taking a guy well ahead of where other teams would have drafted him. Now I know we are all skeptical of the "experts" but most had him going between the 4-7th rounds, with some having him as undrafted. It seems very likely that he would have been available in the 4th or later (obviously speculation). So regardless of how well he does, or doesn't do, or who else we could have taken, I would still say it was a bit of a reach. I think what really makes it a reach, is that we needlessly traded up to get a player that probably wasn't even on anyone's radar (more speculation). It certainly seems like the Jags were dead set on a third round punter for some reason...Let's just hope he (Graham, not the Jags punter) proves to be worth it. Edited August 28, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Here's what I find ironic: Those of you banging the drum about the team "reaching" for T.J. Graham are doing so based on someone's non-NFL-front-office-personnel pre-draft rankings. The same folks are blasting the Bills for not taking Russell Wilson based on...what exactly? If pre-draft rankings are good enough to lambaste the team for picking Graham too early, why doesn't the same logic apply to Wilson, who was pretty much a consensus 4-6 round pick? http://www.draftinsi...et/blog/?p=5707 http://www.footballs...ospects/qb.html http://walterfootbal...draft2012QB.php Mike Mayock, who many of you are quoting in reference to Graham being a "7th round guy", didn't have Wilson among his top 100 players: http://www.nfl.com/d...ospect-rankings I did manage to find one site that rated Wilson a borderline 3rd rounder though: http://www.nfldrafts...sxpos&order=ASC Are you suggesting that Seattle 'reached' for Russell Wilson? Heretic. Banish him! Banish him! GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damond Talbot Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think Russell Wilson is good, but I love the TJ PIck, he was very good at NC State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Forget about Russell Wilson, I guess we should have drafted Jimmy Clausen 2 years ago and be set for 15 years. Almost every draft guru and pre-draft ranking had him at top 10. According to people on this board, these pre-draft rankings are what really matter and project where a player would be drafted and how good the player would become perfectly. Damn, when will our FO learn and start making draft picks based on pre-draft rankings exactly? /sarcasm off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Forget about Russell Wilson, I guess we should have drafted Jimmy Clausen 2 years ago and be set for 15 years. Almost every draft guru and pre-draft ranking had him at top 10. According to people on this board, these pre-draft rankings are what really matter and project where a player would be drafted and how good the player would become perfectly. Damn, when will our FO learn and start making draft picks based on pre-draft rankings exactly? /sarcasm off There were more than a few conniptions thrown when we didn't take Jimmy Clausen. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 if we are thinking playoffs this year you take TJ, also let's hold off on Russell Wilson until the games count. The hall of fame for preseason is very very very crowded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 TJ had his best collegiate season after Russell Wilson left town. Coincidence? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I mean we could have had Russell Wilson? Check out this article on NFL Draft Zone and who would you have rather had? http://nomorelinks....ith-t-j-graham/ Great! Another hindsight is perfect topic. What if the Bills drafted Tom Brady in round 5? WTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 TJ had his best collegiate season after Russell Wilson left town. Coincidence? I think not. See. Now that's a little nugget of pure gold right there. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What ifs . Looks right now that we filled a big hole. Speed receiver with some hands. But they get bonus points. this guy gets it and the ceiling is high. he is not JUST a track star. But he IS a track star. Lord knows we need to develop an early round QB sooner than later. Buddy and Chan said they had one in mind but missed him. To me seems like they had a great draft board this past year, one of the best in many years. I sure hope so and only time will tell. Woulda not minded getting Wilson though. But i really like this kid Graham and think he was very underated from what i read and have seen so far if he was graded 4,5,6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I can recall watching the NFL network during the draft. They went to a commercial after the Bills selected TJ Graham because they had no info on the guy. Mike Mayock stated he thought Graham was a 5th thru 7th rounder. Hey, it remains to be seen if TJ can become that deep threat that keeps the defense honest ....or just another scrub in the many scrubs of the current Bills WR corps. If Wilson becomes a top QB this season it certainly will give some fans the ammunition to blast Buddy Nix for another Rob Gronkowski type miss And Tom Brady was projected to go in like the 6th round or later, oh wait, he's REALLY good. Reality is that every team has a different top 20 on their draft boards. Beyond round one, the differences in draft "boards" is far bigger. I think that the Pats pick a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round every year that the "pundits" project as a late round or FA pick. The difference is that the Pats get the benefit of the doubt and the Bills don't (here). Another reality is, round 2 the odds are about 50% that you'll find an eventual starting player. After round 2 the odds are much worse. Adjust your expectations that all of the top 3 or 4 picks for a team will start or they've made some humongous mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 And Tom Brady was projected to go in like the 6th round or later, oh wait, he's REALLY good. Reality is that every team has a different top 20 on their draft boards. Beyond round one, the differences in draft "boards" is far bigger. I think that the Pats pick a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round every year that the "pundits" project as a late round or FA pick. The difference is that the Pats get the benefit of the doubt and the Bills don't (here). Another reality is, round 2 the odds are about 50% that you'll find an eventual starting player. After round 2 the odds are much worse. Adjust your expectations that all of the top 3 or 4 picks for a team will start or they've made some humongous mistake. I am going to need a graph to represent your data verifying your data. regardless of your age Mr. Old Timer sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damond Talbot Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 That is funny that TJ had his best year when Russell left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 That is funny that TJ had his best year when Russell left I'm sure you're not suggesting that NC St was better off without Wilson...Are you? Graham got better, but I'm pretty sure having Wilson at QB would have helped him even more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Wilson was considered a 4th or 5th rounder. The experts thought Cordy Glenn was a guard. Reach or not it doesn't matter. Te Seahawks are now being lauded for their independent thinking on Wilson. They went against the grain. Maybe that turns out to be the case with Graham and Glenn for the Bills. What I do like is their conviction to pick both and eventually they will be judged based on the results, but we are a couple years away from that. Don't hand Pete Carrollthe label of genius quite yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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