billnutinphoenix Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 We may be seeing the beginning of the end for Chan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Spiller was a top ten pick you have to play him to get him the experience that Jackson already has. You know with Freddy you have one dependable back. Spiller needs playing time. You have to give it to him. You have to play McKelvin too let them work their errors out on the field and gain experience This team is going nowhere for a long time so develop the young guys. Nobody ever learned much by watching. You need the game to slow down for them, to do that they need to be on the field. CJ can get experience by rotating in when Fred needs a breather. Top 10 pick or not, once the regular season starts you play the guy who gives you the best chance to win. Treating games like practice is the same thing as stealing from the fans. Edited August 23, 2011 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) 2. This reeks of a decision from above - CJ is getting paid, let's try and get our money's worth. Â This is spot on and few if any posters are addressing this. Â A strong case could be made that either Mr. Wilson or the useless schmuck Brandon was behind this idiotic draft selection from day 1. And make no mistake.....sooner or later, Spiller will make a long, breakaway run that will have fans drooling, and thinking that he was a good pick. Despite his total lack of production, one can clearly see how people continue to assert that he was a sound draft choice. He wasn't, and this notion will change. It always does. Â At this point, what we do have is a shrimp who cannot gain yards on the groud, is a so-so receiver, and cannot block for s*&t. And now he is causing dissension. Â What a freaking mess. Edited August 23, 2011 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hey John, who the Bills hottie to your right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 This is spot on and few if any posters are addressing this. Â A strong case could be made that either Mr. Wilson or the useless schmuck Brandon was behind this idiotic draft selection from day 1. And make no mistake.....sooner or later, Spiller will make a long, breakaway run that will have fans drooling, and thinking that he was a good pick. Despite his total lack of production, one can clearly see how people continue to assert that he was a sound draft choice. He wasn't, and this notion will change. It always does. Â At this point, what we do have is a shrimp who cannot gain yards on the groud, is a so-so receiver, and cannot block for s*&t. And now he is causing dissension. Â What a freaking mess. Bill, I think this was a Buddy-Chan pick all the way. Nix slavered over him, and looking at his past history, one can only think that he had LT and Thurman on his mind. Spiller is about the same size and had the same alleged traits -- good receiving skills and great elusiveness in the open field. I wouldn't be surprised if gailey tried to recruit him at GA Tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have to ask: do you think we can get a fifth for Freddie? Â With FJ's young, fresh legs, game-changing ability and breakaway speed, I'd guess that a number of teams would throw multiple #1 picks at the Bills in exhange for Jackson. Â After all, serviceable RBs are so hard to find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 With FJ's young, fresh legs, game-changing ability and breakaway speed, I'd guess that a number of teams would throw multiple #1 picks at the Bills in exhange for Jackson. Â After all, serviceable RBs are so hard to find! Actually, the FA RB market has been pretty well tapped. Anyone who needs a solid RB who thinks they have a shot at playoffs would likely give something of value for him. But I'd really hate to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I just read Freddy's full quote, and I believe he really was talking about the whole Bills front office and not just the coach, or the last game. He's not being treated like a #1 back because he's not being paid, and he's not thought of in line to have his contract renegotiated AND Spiller has been getting a lot of the looks. I can understand his frustration but I don't think it had as much to do with last Saturday and since last season ended. They drafted a RB, and didn't do anything to convince him he is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 This is spot on and few if any posters are addressing this. Â A strong case could be made that either Mr. Wilson or the useless schmuck Brandon was behind this idiotic draft selection from day 1. And make no mistake.....sooner or later, Spiller will make a long, breakaway run that will have fans drooling, and thinking that he was a good pick. Despite his total lack of production, one can clearly see how people continue to assert that he was a sound draft choice. He wasn't, and this notion will change. It always does. Â At this point, what we do have is a shrimp who cannot gain yards on the groud, is a so-so receiver, and cannot block for s*&t. And now he is causing dissension. Â What a freaking mess. First of all, you know I agree with you that selecting a gadget/RB with such a high pick was the wrong thing to do with so many more glaring needs. But his selection and his recent 'promotion' are not CJ's fault. He may or may not have the commensurate talent but he is not the one making these decisions. Ergo, he is not the one causing the dissent (if there is any). I think this one is on the FO/coaches. This situation is not looking good - letting Poz walk followed by trading Evans has to cause some doubt in the locker room. if this action sticks despite CJ not performing, then it will really cause the players to question the ability of the coaches to select the starters. Ofcourse, if CJ plays up to his billing and lights it up then this is a moot point. Let us see how things play out but I am beginning to have doubts about the decisions being made the past 3-4 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I just read Freddy's full quote, and I believe he really was talking about the whole Bills front office and not just the coach, or the last game. He's not being treated like a #1 back because he's not being paid, and he's not thought of in line to have his contract renegotiated AND Spiller has been getting a lot of the looks. I can understand his frustration but I don't think it had as much to do with last Saturday and since last season ended. They drafted a RB, and didn't do anything to convince him he is the man. you post was spot on about Fred not being happy. Really watching what you post on this board now lol  Going back to 2009 when Fewell became HC on the intern thing, one of the first things he did was to name Jackson the starter as he should have. Fewell was trying to put the best players on the field to try to get the HC job.  Fast forward to Chan and Buddy. Even though Fred has earned the right to start and always produces, Buddy has drafted his running back of the future. It sucks but when you draft a player in the first round you got to play him.  In my mind its a cold slap in the face to Jackson and I agree 100 percent that he has a legit beef. But the NFL is a cold frigging business. Buddy has no loyalty to Jackson because he was brought in by Marv, one of the few excellent players he did manage to get.  Somebody (Chan) ought to tell Fred hey your our guy until CJ learns the ropes, then we are going to name him the starter. That is gonna happen like it our not. I for one don't like the way this smells because it is clear the Fred has not only earned the role of starter, he should keep it until he skills decline.  Another fine mess the Bills are in, you don't want your best player outside of Kyle Williams mad . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Take it easy guys. Chan is just rying to put together the best college team in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 We may be seeing the beginning of the end for Chan... Excuse me? I think I missed the beginning of the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 This is spot on and few if any posters are addressing this. Â A strong case could be made that either Mr. Wilson or the useless schmuck Brandon was behind this idiotic draft selection from day 1. And make no mistake.....sooner or later, Spiller will make a long, breakaway run that will have fans drooling, and thinking that he was a good pick. Despite his total lack of production, one can clearly see how people continue to assert that he was a sound draft choice. He wasn't, and this notion will change. It always does. Â At this point, what we do have is a shrimp who cannot gain yards on the groud, is a so-so receiver, and cannot block for s*&t. And now he is causing dissension. Â What a freaking mess. Â Bill, I really doubt it. Chan was pretty upfront before last years draft of having to have a scat-back...and Spiller has so far fitted that bill, except that the scat behind this OL has been pathetic. I don't think they were pressured by someone like Brandon...The whole draft has been so weak so far....your top 3 choices can't crack the starting line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Fred Jackson is the best player on offense. what he does behind this O-line is remarkable. Spiller is NOT a #1 RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have really not been impressed with Gailey's player management in this preseason or last. He just seems determined to play guys based on their size or perceived athleticism rather than their playmaking ability. Trent Edwards as the starting QB. Moats to ILB. Spiller over Jackson. Lynch over Jackson. Urbik over Hangartner. Rinehart over Levitre. Â Sadly you might be on to something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Do you think Gailey is getting pressure from above to start Spiller? If so he deserves what he gets. I'm sure the "waterbug" was his pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Screw Spiller if he can't get his head in the game and play like an NFL back... keep Jackson the starter and trade Spiller to Cincinnati if he is going to keep being average with great talent. Or do Freddy a favor and trade him to New England for a sixth or a seventh. Then watch what rushing totals Freddy would have, how many clutch game changing plays, how his versatility would be exploited to full advanhtage in the Pats system. Fred Jackson would become a household name in every NFL town, not just Blo, and BB, who loves Freddy because BB kinows football, would be doing cartwheels. I laugh when people say Fred is an average to below average NFL RB. As for CJ he has to date shown absolutely nothing. People get excited because he had a 14 yard run or whatever in his last game. Talk about scaping the botom of the barrel. Big Blue had an UDFA run 97 yards fromj scrimmage last night. Never saw CJ ever do anythying remotely similar, not once, not even close. I hope I am wrong but he is looking a lot like like a bust. Some players come into the league as UDFAs or low round picks and just get better and better - Kyle Williams, Tyson Clabo- some guys cokme in with a lot of fanfare but with their best days behind them, as in Clemson. Hope that I am wrong and that CJ does not fall into that category of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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