Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Shades of Bills trading Evans because they were afraid of losing a talent like Marcus Easley or Donald Jones. Or letting Greer go because they wanted to develop McKelvin. Or trading McGahee because of the shiny bright object called Lynch. It goes on & on. This. The Bills are where they are because they manufacture holes in the roster unnecessarily. See: poszluzny, paul. See also: evans, lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Based off the soundbite I heard on WGR I think Fred is upset and I think he has a right to be....... I think the bills are trying to find ways to motivate CJ Spiller....but they are doing it at Fred expense which I am not sure is a smart move........ They have a good situation here where they have a good number 1 in Fred Jackson but his is also aging.....and a young through the roof potential talent in Spiller who hasn't done anything yet..... Start Jackson....sprinkle in CJ....and lets see how it plays out....but dont alienate Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Based off the soundbite I heard on WGR I think Fred is upset and I think he has a right to be....... I think the bills are trying to find ways to motivate CJ Spiller....but they are doing it at Fred expense which I am not sure is a smart move........ They have a good situation here where they have a good number 1 in Fred Jackson but his is also aging.....and a young through the roof potential talent in Spiller who hasn't done anything yet..... Start Jackson....sprinkle in CJ....and lets see how it plays out....but dont alienate Jackson I stated earlier in this thread that I just don't understand the drama over who is named the "starter". I really feel that they should both get about the same amount of carries over the year since they're both complimentary runners who can't handle the "full load" of a real full time NFL starter. To me, they should consider themselves as 1 and 1a starters and just support each other in that respect. CJ isn't a full time starter and neither is Jackson, so what exactly is this drama about???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bills-unhappyjackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bills-unhappyjackson Timely reporting, thanks jw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 http://sports.yahoo....-unhappyjackson One of my few complaints about Gailey so far is that he does not tell the players where they stand until it is a little too late. Evans and Levitre said something similar. I assume Gaiely has his reasons, he wants competition at all positions for all players, and he has no real obligation to tell them. They are getting paid very well to play the game as they are told by their coaches at 100% effort all the time. But I think it leads to some locker room issues that could be avoided. That's a fine line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm sure we'll trade Jackson soon for a 7th round pick. All in the name of the future. ... Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Chan says Fred is ahead of CJ and that they are both starters. Linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbillsfan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I'm sure we'll trade Jackson soon for a 7th round pick. All in the name of the future. ... Sigh. in 2013 while we are still looking to rebuilding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Fred doesn't get the respect he deserves. Make him the freakin starter and let CJ try to unseat him. (that wont happen) Why mess with his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goynahan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 For the coaching staff to find a way to upset one of the biggest team-first players on our squad absolutely disgusts me. I am more upset about this development than I am the evans trade. It may be that with every incomprehensible decision I'm inching closer and closer to my tipping point, but after hearing about this development with spiller and fred I actually felt a sense of "I don't really care what happens with this team anymore". It's killing me that I feel that way when the season hasn't even begun yet, but the decision to start spiller (if that ends up being the case come regular season) is wrong on so many levels, some of which are: 1. There is no discussion as to who is the more productive of the two - Fred has been unbelievably consistent during his time here behind an ever-revolving offensive line. With every other back, we've always had to make some kind of excuse or justification (marshawn hesitates in the hole, spiller needs to work on his vision and isnt a between the tackles runner, etc). we have NEVER had to make an excuse for Fred, he just comes in and does his job, and does it damn well. 2. This reeks of a decision from above - CJ is getting paid, let's try and get our money's worth. 3. This can't sit well with the locker room - Fred is not only a fan favorite but an excellent locker room guy. How does this make the other vets feel when they see a guy bust his ass for years, outperform his competition, yet still get the shaft? If I was a guy in that locker room, I would certainly make me question what the hell is going on. As you can see from my post count, I do much more reading than posting. But like I said earlier in my post, as small a development as this may be individually, when you add it up with the other questionable decisions that have been made this offseason (no upgrade to o-line, evans trade come to mind), I have already begun to feel indifferent about what happens with this team anymore. and that is a crying shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Screw Spiller if he can't get his head in the game and play like an NFL back... keep Jackson the starter and trade Spiller to Cincinnati if he is going to keep being average with great talent. Edited August 23, 2011 by BmoreBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 One of my few complaints about Gailey so far is that he does not tell the players where they stand until it is a little too late. Evans and Levitre said something similar. I assume Gaiely has his reasons, he wants competition at all positions for all players, and he has no real obligation to tell them. They are getting paid very well to play the game as they are told by their coaches at 100% effort all the time. But I think it leads to some locker room issues that could be avoided. That's a fine line. Gailey runs the risk of losing the locker room if he continues. Players understand that they can be replaced at any time, but if they are not a weak link (they know who is producing and who is not) and are getting pulled or jerked around that does not help morale. While they get paid a lot of money, they are also human beings. If you expect leaders on your team, you need to treat them that way and let them take it to the next level. Not knock them down a peg whenever. I don't see why FJ didn't start and get the first series in and then CJ could have played into the third quarter to get plenty of touches. If CJ averages 8+ ypc and by all accounts plays well there is no doubt who should start. By fiddlin' around like this Chan alienates players. I wonder if something similar happened in Dallas, I thought I remember reading Aikman was upset about something. Maybe FJ isn't his type of player. Maybe the front office/owner is involved. Seems kind of odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Spiller was a top ten pick you have to play him to get him the experience that Jackson already has. You know with Freddy you have one dependable back. Spiller needs playing time. You have to give it to him. You have to play McKelvin too let them work their errors out on the field and gain experience This team is going nowhere for a long time so develop the young guys. Nobody ever learned much by watching. You need the game to slow down for them, to do that they need to be on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Chan says Fred is ahead of CJ and that they are both starters. Linky So we have two No 1 RBs? Where have I seen that movie before and how did that one end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have to ask: do you think we can get a fifth for Freddie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have to ask: do you think we can get a fifth for Freddie? Why not? He obviously doesn't fit Gailey's new offense and we need to give more reps to White & Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Why not? He obviously doesn't fit Gailey's new offense and we need to give more reps to White & Hall. We'd save a few bucks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 If you don't like what you see, time to put your wallets away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 If you don't like what you see, time to put your wallets away. I actually think that if the Bills get off to a rough start, the attendance will be horrible this season. Not 1984-horrible, but worse than anything we've seen in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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