Lv-Bills Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 The person who posted the initial comment had some points. I wasn't as aggravated as he was, but there's no reason someone can't voice an opinion on his "article" just like everyone voices their opinion on someone like Mort's jab at Buffalo. Weak. JW's a big boy, he can see constructive criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Perhaps the OP deleted it because he found he was mis-informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I deleted it myself, I was not aware that the article was intended to be a "teaser" and would be supplemented later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I deleted it myself, I was not aware that the article was intended to be a "teaser" and would be supplemented later. ... which probably means that this thread should itself be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I deleted it myself, I was not aware that the article was intended to be a "teaser" and would be supplemented later. Oh, that makes sense. Even at that though, what's the point of a teaser? Did there really need to be a teaser about the Bills backup QB who spoke to the press today? It's already posted on BB.com. Another longer article could have already been posted by now. I'm not sure how sound a decision it is to constantly hurry up and put something out there (this doesn't necessarily pertain to only JW), especially in this case. In the long run, if people don't know it's a teaser, they'll quit reading your stuff, because they think nothing will really ever be in there. I thought you had a valid point, although I didn't read the article until after you said something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Oh, that makes sense. Even at that though, what's the point of a teaser? Did there really need to be a teaser about the Bills backup QB who spoke to the press today? It's already posted on BB.com. Another longer article could have already been posted by now. I'm not sure how sound a decision it is to constantly hurry up and put something out there, especially in this case. In the long run, if people don't know it's a teaser, they'll quit reading your stuff, because they think nothing will really ever be in there. I thought you had a valid point, although I didn't read the article until after you said something. I agree with your points, but I didn't want to start a mob directed at Mr. Warrow (especially since my thread was based on an incorrect assumption), so I went ahead and removed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Oh, that makes sense. Even at that though, what's the point of a teaser? Did there really need to be a teaser about the Bills backup QB who spoke to the press today? It's already posted on BB.com. Another longer article could have already been posted by now. I'm not sure how sound a decision it is to constantly hurry up and put something out there, especially in this case. In the long run, if people don't know it's a teaser, they'll quit reading your stuff, because they think nothing will really ever be in there. I thought you had a valid point, although I didn't read the article until after you said something. It has to do with how wire service stories are disseminated. Their stories get picked up by other news organizations, so they need to file teasers first and then fill in more detail. Just the nature of the 24/7 news business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 It has to do with how wire service stories are disseminated. Their stories get picked up by other news organizations, so they need to file teasers first and then fill in more detail. Just the nature of the 24/7 news business. Correct, I understand that. And JW didn't do anything wrong at all. But, is it really needed for a Bills backup QB? A longer story could already be done, and he would still be the first one to report it. It's not JW, it's just media reporting in general these days.....ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Correct, I understand that. And JW didn't do anything wrong at all. But, is it really needed for a Bills backup QB? A longer story could already be done, and he would still be the first one to report it. It's not JW, it's just media reporting in general these days.....ugh. I'm genuinely curious: how long does it take you to transcribe 10 minutes of audio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 The person who posted the initial comment had some points. I wasn't as aggravated as he was, but there's no reason someone can't voice an opinion on his "article" just like everyone voices their opinion on someone like Mort's jab at Buffalo. Weak. JW's a big boy, he can see constructive criticism. feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Correct, I understand that. And JW didn't do anything wrong at all. But, is it really needed for a Bills backup QB? A longer story could already be done, and he would still be the first one to report it. It's not JW, it's just media reporting in general these days.....ugh. Right now, he's the backup and the starter, along with the other two. I believe he's also the only one to addres the media. So I'm guesing Gailey penciled him as the front runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I'm genuinely curious: how long does it take you to transcribe 10 minutes of audio? Not sure, but I would think a story could be written in three hours. I mean, I can do much much more at my job in three hours, than write a story on trent Edwards speaking for nine minutes. And yes, I worked for the Pittsburgh Trib Review growing up. Mostly agate, never wrote anything, but cmon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 what did i do, now? jw note: am working on longer piece on Edwards, which got pushed back by second-round of interviews and an update on Eric Wood, which i just finished filing a light version and longer version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Not sure, but I would think a story could be written in three hours. I mean, I can do much much more at my job in three hours, than write a story on trent Edwards speaking for nine minutes. And yes, I worked for the Pittsburgh Trib Review growing up. Mostly agate, never wrote anything, but cmon. umm. ok. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Not sure, but I would think a story could be written in three hours. I mean, I can do much much more at my job in three hours, than write a story on trent Edwards speaking for nine minutes. And yes, I worked for the Pittsburgh Trib Review growing up. Mostly agate, never wrote anything, but cmon. While other interviews and press conferences were going on? Media will be allowed to shoot b-roll of workouts in the Fieldhouse from approximately 8:00-9:30 AM and 11:30 AM-1:00 PM. Selected players will be made available to the media by the Media Relations staff at various times throughout the availability sessions in the Fieldhouse and Head Coach Chan Gailey will address the media at 1:00 PM. If you plan on covering the early morning session, please report to the Buffalo Bills Media Room in the Administrative Building by 7:45 AM. For the second session, please report to the Media Room by 11:15 AM and you will be escorted into the Fieldhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 umm. ok. jw I am continually amazed at the level some people go to to criticize others. Do they really need that to make themselves feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 what did i do, now? jw note: am working on longer piece on Edwards, which got pushed back by second-round of interviews and an update on Eric Wood, which i just finished filing a light version and longer version. Stop doggin' it and get your work done. A liquid lunch is not an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 what did i do, now? jw note: am working on longer piece on Edwards, which got pushed back by second-round of interviews and an update on Eric Wood, which i just finished filing a light version and longer version. Just a misunderstanding on the flash/writethrough idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Not sure, but I would think... and thats where you went wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep2Moulds46 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 umm. ok. jw John, you're out of your league here. The guy stood around and watched other people write at the Pittsburgh Trib Review. He's clearly qualified to criticize your ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike In Illinois Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think it's fair to say that the journalists/media scribes/bloggers who regularly contribute to TSW are not sandbagging on their responsibilities to their professions just for the sake of appeasing us on the message boards. I would confirm what Lori has already stated: it does take some time to transcribe a 9-minute media availability on its own, not to mention other availabilities (Eric Wood) to cover. JW was probably consuming all the info from each interview as best he could and then going back to transcribe what he heard/recorded, after finding a quiet location to decipher sound bites which may come from someone who doesn't enunciate eloquently or in a room that may not be as quiet as a library (they still have librarys around, don't t hey?). I worked for eight years in TV news- that does not make me an expert on the situation (by no means am I the SKOOBY of TV news!), but maybe it helps provide some insight from my experiences. Just my ¢¢ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This thread is proof that you can't un-ring the bell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 John, you're out of your league here. The guy stood around and watched other people write at the Pittsburgh Trib Review. He's clearly qualified to criticize your ability. Thank you for ruining my perfectly good notebook with the ginger ale I snorted reading this. Made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This thread is proof that you can't un-ring the bell... you can on the board. if the OP wanted to, he could delete this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I'm genuinely curious: how long does it take you to transcribe 10 minutes of audio? My personal best is 2.3 minutes. I am a fast listener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This thread is proof that you can't un-ring the bell... !gniD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Its not that big a deal, but I am a little disappointed the OP deleted his own thread. Kind of chickened out a bit. Its amazing that reporters are so thin skinned when they get criticized. After all, the paper lives on critiquing everything that goes on in the world, yet get all worked up when someone critiques them. Maybe, not really JW,but maybe a lot of them would do better to listen to critiques once in awhile. It is a profession that has gotten worse in the internet age. It is also a struggling business in some ways. But yet, there is always an excuse for their own flaws. Weak. Sorry to cause a stir, that wasn't really my intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 John, you're out of your league here. The guy stood around and watched other people write at the Pittsburgh Trib Review. He's clearly qualified to criticize your ability. I think it's fair to say that the journalists/media scribes/bloggers who regularly contribute to TSW are not sandbagging on their responsibilities to their professions just for the sake of appeasing us on the message boards. I would confirm what Lori has already stated: it does take some time to transcribe a 9-minute media availability on its own, not to mention other availabilities (Eric Wood) to cover. JW was probably consuming all the info from each interview as best he could and then going back to transcribe what he heard/recorded, after finding a quiet location to decipher sound bites which may come from someone who doesn't enunciate eloquently or in a room that may not be as quiet as a library (they still have librarys around, don't t hey?). I worked for eight years in TV news- that does not make me an expert on the situation (by no means am I the SKOOBY of TV news!), but maybe it helps provide some insight from my experiences. Just my ¢¢ When you've logged some time at the Pittsburgh Tribune watching the writers come back. This thread is proof that you can't un-ring the bell... Very old joke; What's the difference between a pregnant woman and a light bulb? You can unscrew a light bulb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This thread is proof that you can't un-ring the bell... Eh. You asked a legitimate question, even if the way you presented it made me a little grumpy. (Apologies for the snarl). And a few people learned how The AP functions, the difference between a newsflash and a writethrough, and John's schedule for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Its not that big a deal, but I am a little disappointed the OP deleted his own thread. Kind of chickened out a bit. Its amazing that reporters are so thin skinned when they get criticized. After all, the paper lives on critiquing everything that goes on in the world, yet get all worked up when someone critiques them. Maybe, not really JW,but maybe a lot of them would do better to listen to critiques once in awhile. It is a profession that has gotten worse in the internet age. It is also a struggling business in some ways. But yet, there is always an excuse for their own flaws. Weak. Sorry to cause a stir, that wasn't really my intention. And yet there you STILL sit with your swizzle stick. Jabbing at the OP and the reporter. Think about this...how many are on your side? Weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This thread is proof that you can't un-ring the bell... don't worry, Coach. i'm fine. i can appreciate what might have been your concerns, but it's been a long drawn out day with lots of availabilities and many bites and bits to get through. as we in the AP serve a vast array of media outlets -- newspapers, tv, radio, internet, telephone thingies -- we have many responsibilities, and me, i'm just one guy workin'. in an ideal world, it would've been best to get the Edwards writethru out as soon as possible. i sometimes don't live in an ideal world. and out of respect, i'll leave the agate desk comment alone. jw ADD: oh, and i'm done by the way. Edwards Part II in for editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Not sure, but I would think a story could be written in three hours. I mean, I can do much much more at my job in three hours, than write a story on trent Edwards speaking for nine minutes. And yes, I worked for the Pittsburgh Trib Review growing up. Mostly agate, never wrote anything, but cmon. I was in the business for years and you have no clue what you're talking about. You have no idea what his editors wanted or how many times they changed gears on him or what else was on his plate. Hey JW, don't let these spoiled fan-brats keep you from letting us know what's going on. We appreciate you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 My personal best is 2.3 minutes. I am a fast listener. I can do it in about twelve. Really. But I type seriously fast. That's a straight transcript, though. Not writing an article for a wire service - that would take me a little longer. Maybe 45 minutes. And a few people learned how The AP functions, the difference between a newsflash and a writethrough, and John's schedule for today. I'd have thought such things were obvious, myself. Isn't everyone's job like that - too much to do, not enough time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Someone wrote an article about Edwards talking to the press? I'm in the wrong business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 So, now that we've clearly established that this thread is mistitled, and that Mr. Wawrow spent the day working instead of playing Solitaire on his computer, let's move on. The Wood story: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/20...training-camp-0 ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- Eric Wood laughs as he recalls being laid up in a Jacksonville hospital in November, when he and his surgeon repeatedly watched a video posted on YouTube showing how the Buffalo Bills guard broke two bones in his left leg. "Yeah, I've seen it a few times," Wood said Tuesday, explaining how his leg was so swollen that his doctor reviewed the video to ensure Wood also didn't hurt his ankle. "It's funny when you go to YouTube to get your medical analysis. But, I guess, that's our day and age." Wood might also be something of a medical marvel. Drafted 28th overall out of Louisville last year, Wood's walking without a limp and confident his leg will be fully recovered by the start of training camp this summer. That's great progress for a player who initially feared he might not play again after being hurt during an 18-15 loss at Jacksonville on Nov. 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This is the best thread I have read in weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 For all those who have been patiently waiting .. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills(70) Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 For all those who have been patiently waiting .. jw See what you started John, even the writers and editors are bickering now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 For all those who have been patiently waiting .. jw thanks JW. Love this part here, "In a bid to provide a more businesslike atmosphere, Gailey has removed the TV sets from the Bills weightlifting room." Camp Jauron is no more. Get to work boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 For all those who have been patiently waiting .. jw Thanks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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