Small Consolation

[MRW]

This topic is just so tired. A reflection on how poorly our season has gone IMO. If the Bills were playing well this would have been long ago forgotten.

 

Bottom line for me is that the Peter's situation is one among many where the Bills demonstrated they are incompetently managed. Yes, maybe the Bills got the "better" end of this one specific trade (hard to say absolutley) but so what when you look at it in the big picture. The fact simply is that the Bills o-line is an absolute mess and as a result this season has been pissed away.

 

Poor o-line play has also left open the question - do we neeed to draft a QB yet again? Don't get me wrong, not defending TE but it is possible to argue that maybe he would be a servicable QB if he had a decent line that also supported a decent run game. At the end of the day I assume we will and should draft another QB so we once again suffer through the "learning curve" next season.

 

I simply pray that we get a truly solid GM in the off-season.

Good post. If Brandon hadn't set out to sour things with Peters and they'd made an actual effort to keep him on board when he held out, how different would things look now? LT Peters - LG Levitre - C Hangartner - RG Butler - RT Walker looks a lot better to me than that mess that's out there (of course, you'd have to sub in Butler's backup at guard, but even so...). So everyone can talk until they're blue in the face about how happy they are Peters is gone, but to me the bottom line is we had a line that was adequate at the tackles and weak up the middle and subbed in one that is an absolute disaster at the tackles and a work in progress in the middle.

[C.Biscuit97]

Good post. If Brandon hadn't set out to sour things with Peters and they'd made an actual effort to keep him on board when he held out, how different would things look now? LT Peters - LG Levitre - C Hangartner - RG Butler - RT Walker looks a lot better to me than that mess that's out there (of course, you'd have to sub in Butler's backup at guard, but even so...). So everyone can talk until they're blue in the face about how happy they are Peters is gone, but to me the bottom line is we had a line that was adequate at the tackles and weak up the middle and subbed in one that is an absolute disaster at the tackles and a work in progress in the middle.

 

1) So you're ok with paying a guy who acted like a child $11 million to give up 4 sacks in 6 games? I'm not.

 

2) Honestly, what difference would Peters have made with our team? My opinion is that it won't have have made much.

[MRW]

1) So you're ok with paying a guy who acted like a child $11 million to give up 4 sacks in 6 games? I'm not.

 

2) Honestly, what difference would Peters have made with our team? My opinion is that it won't have have made much.

As opposed to watching Bell get blown up play after play? Yeah, I think I'd cope, especially because it's not my money.

 

Talking about whether Peters is overpaid only makes sense to me if you think the Bills replaced him with someone who is at least ready to play LT at a basic level in the pros. They didn't, and so I would say yes, paying $10 or $11 million for a guy who is an actual NFL player would be a vast improvement.

 

As to your second point, no one player would put this Bills team over the top. Years of poor decisions have left them thin at lots of positions, with even the starters being at best good players as opposed to difference makers. By trading Peters, the Bills created another hole they will need to fill with a high draft pick, leaving them unable to draft players to help at other positions of need like LB, DT, or QB.

[BuffaloBill]

1) So you're ok with paying a guy who acted like a child $11 million to give up 4 sacks in 6 games? I'm not.

 

2) Honestly, what difference would Peters have made with our team? My opinion is that it won't have have made much.

 

 

Go back to my post that he was commenting on. Who gives a flying F K about Peters any more? The deal is done.

 

My point was simply to say that the way the Bills handled Peters is one among many acts of stupidity that have left the organization in a mess. It's hard to argue with the results - the Bills are not competitive, they have a weak roster and the offensive line is an absolute disaster.

[Tcali]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html

 

 

 

A couple things:

 

1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better.

 

2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us.

agree...i think we made the right moves..and knew that our O line was gonna take its lumps

[Peter]

Where are you guys getting the 4 sacks allowed figure?

 

According to profootbalfocus.com, he has allowed 2 sacks, 1 QB hit, and 3 pressures.

 

PFF - Tackles stats and ratings

 

By contrast, our left tackle (the one who has started the majority of games), has 5 sacks, 5 QB hits, and 17 pressures.

 

For comparison purposes, Joe Thomas has 2 sacks, 3 QB hits, and 4 pressures. Jake Long has 3 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 4 pressures.

 

You can go to the linked site to get the stats for all of the tackles.

[John from Riverside]

Dont you guys think it is time to let the whole Jason Peters thing go?

 

- We aren't getting any more picks out of the deal

 

- Jason Peters isn't coming back we dont want him back and he doesn't want to come back

 

- We now have Eric Wood and Shawn Nelson

 

Its over.......

[BillsVet]

Where are you guys getting the 4 sacks allowed figure?

 

Whichever source states that Peters has given up the most sacks is what they'll use. And it's because they eat up the PR from OBD regarding a player who went from UDFA ST'er to 2nd team All-Pro. The way some talk around here, it's their money that Peters was earning.

[RyanC883]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html

 

 

 

A couple things:

 

1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better.

 

2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us.

 

Good post. Much better to suck with rookies would could become solid than to throw lots of $$ at vets for the same result.

[dave mcbride]

Where are you guys getting the 4 sacks allowed figure?

 

According to profootbalfocus.com, he has allowed 2 sacks, 1 QB hit, and 3 pressures.

 

PFF - Tackles stats and ratings

 

By contrast, our left tackle (the one who has started the majority of games), has 5 sacks, 5 QB hits, and 17 pressures.

 

For comparison purposes, Joe Thomas has 2 sacks, 3 QB hits, and 4 pressures. Jake Long has 3 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 4 pressures.

 

You can go to the linked site to get the stats for all of the tackles.

My guess is that the erroneous number comes from the fact that Peters' replacement in the Raiders game allowed a couple of sacks. They get assigned to LT,and lazy amateur statisticians then assign them to Peters.

[evilbuffalobob]

I believe our makeshift line only gave-up one sack last week. ... what was it... 2 sacks the previous week. Helps having a Qb with a medium set of balls.

 

As I've previously mentioned, perhaps out run game would be better if our receivers might exert the slightest iota of effort downfield.

 

At any rate- Fugk Peters.

[Cynical]

Whichever source states that Peters has given up the most sacks is what they'll use. And it's because they eat up the PR from OBD regarding a player who went from UDFA ST'er to 2nd team All-Pro. The way some talk around here, it's their money that Peters was earning.

 

Anything to keep bashing Peters.

What a POS for allowing 2 sacks. What an overpaid POS for being ranked about the 7th best OT in the league.

The Bills are SOOOOOOOOOOO much better with his replacement Bell. And to think, Bell is ranked only the 75th best.

FIRST from the bottom baby!!

 

WOO HOO!!!

 

Take that you Peter lovers.

[TheChimp]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html

 

 

 

A couple things:

 

1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better.

 

2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us.

What he said.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Anything to keep bashing Peters.

What a POS for allowing 2 sacks. What an overpaid POS for being ranked about the 7th best OT in the league.

The Bills are SOOOOOOOOOOO much better with his replacement Bell. And to think, Bell is ranked only the 75th best.

FIRST from the bottom baby!!

 

WOO HOO!!!

 

Take that you Peter lovers.

Actually, it is worse than that. If you list all OT in the NFL, Tinker Bell is dead last at #105.

 

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

OTOH, Langston Walker was rated #110 last year. Peters? He was 80th. So, it looks like the wishes that he tanks this season as much as last aren't going so well (at least from this data).

 

Aaron Maybin is ranked 103rd at DE. Oher? 12th among all OTs.

[BADOLBILZ]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...agles-line.html

 

 

 

A couple things:

 

1) It doesn't change the fact that our oline still sucks right now. But IMO, our record would be the exact same with Peters. Plus, our oline sucked last year with expensive vets. I'd rather take lumps with young guys who are learning rather than pay JP, DD, & LW $22 million to be slightly better.

 

2) It's completely petty but I want Peters to fail terribly. He screwed us over. I don't blame him for trying to get paid but I blame the way he handled it. IMO, this trade of an overrated, injured plagued, not brilliant player for 3 players (Wood, Nelson, and a 6th rounder this year) and saying $10 million will be a win for us.

 

Yeah, why blame the people responsible for a decade of boring, pathetic football when you can displace on the latest good player that they dumped at the expense of performance at the line of scrimmage? Would they have a better record? Probably not because the head coach that you have vehemently defended runs a slack ship, hires bad coordinators, etc.. Still think the only difference between Jauron and Belichick is Tom Brady at QB?

[Sisyphean Bills]

Yeah, why blame the people responsible for a decade of boring, pathetic football when you can displace on the latest good player that they dumped at the expense of performance at the line of scrimmage? Would they have a better record? Probably not because the head coach that you have vehemently defended runs a slack ship, hires bad coordinators, etc.. Still think the only difference between Jauron and Belichick is Tom Brady at QB?

Come at that from the opposite direction. If Tom Brady arrived today to QB this team, how much different would the team look with this O line, with this system, with these coaches and front office jokes, and with these players on offense, defense, and special teams?

[BADOLBILZ]

Actually, it is worse than that. If you list all OT in the NFL, Tinker Bell is dead last at #105.

 

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

OTOH, Langston Walker was rated #110 last year. Peters? He was 80th. So, it looks like the wishes that he tanks this season as much as last aren't going so well (at least from this data).

 

 

Peters is a disappointment only because he should be great. He is the most dominant run blocking LT in the NFL, and is usually very good in pass protection but has some glaring lapses like a couple weeks ago in Washington when he went to cut Andre Carter and whiffed resulting in a bad sack. That shouldn't happen and he should be criticized for it, but he should also still be here. When you trade away a star young player at a premium position you should have the potential to get much more in return down the line. Getting an offensive guard and a tight end for a LT is not exactly that. What's next? Trading a young franchise QB for a RB and a MLB?

[Flbillsfan#1]

Peters is a disappointment only because he should be great. He is the most dominant run blocking LT in the NFL, and is usually very good in pass protection but has some glaring lapses like a couple weeks ago in Washington when he went to cut Andre Carter and whiffed resulting in a bad sack. That shouldn't happen and he should be criticized for it, but he should also still be here. When you trade away a star young player at a premium position you should have the potential to get much more in return down the line. Getting an offensive guard and a tight end for a LT is not exactly that. What's next? Trading a young franchise QB for a RB and a MLB?

Wood is the future CENTER for the Bills. From what he has shown in his SHORT time in the NFL he will be a GREAT Center for YEARS. Many people that know football think the center position is the most important on the O-line. Time will tell, but I would put my money on Wood having a better career than Peters.

[dave mcbride]

Actually, it is worse than that. If you list all OT in the NFL, Tinker Bell is dead last at #105.

 

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

OTOH, Langston Walker was rated #110 last year. Peters? He was 80th. So, it looks like the wishes that he tanks this season as much as last aren't going so well (at least from this data).

 

Aaron Maybin is ranked 103rd at DE. Oher? 12th among all OTs.

Egad!!! Nice catch.

[BillsVet]

Wood is the future CENTER for the Bills. From what he has shown in his SHORT time in the NFL he will be a GREAT Center for YEARS. Many people that know football think the center position is the most important on the O-line. Time will tell, but I would put my money on Wood having a better career than Peters.

 

So that money spent on Hangartner was merely a bridge to Wood? Wonderful plan, especially given this franchise's track record in building a great OL. Another 10M wasted on an underachieving UFA, only to be replaced by a recent draft pick according to you.

 

And who's asking about comparing players that start at very different positions? Finding quality guards is much easier than finding All Pro LT's who can hold their own on an island. This is demonstrated by the multitude of OT's taken in the top half of the first round versus centers.