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it’s just eating up a percentage of cap Josh is getting X percentage of cap from the last few years, and dak will likely get a smaller slice of a much bigger pie looking at cap going forward…until Josh re-ups his commitment and gets a larger slice than dak if that larger pie

If it is then maybe there's a reason that it keeps coming up. McD's running out of excuses for things and people to point his finger at for the reasons as to the point of this thread. This season is going to be very interesting. And again, I'll ask the rhetorical question; If Allen were here first, would McD even be here? The answer to that should be pretty clear.

It's a simple solution. Why have we failed in the playoffs? Primarily choking D and stupid decision making. Is it really that hard to connect the dots there. What happens in the regular season is meaningless come playoff time. In our last six games vs. the Chiefs we're 3-0 in the regular season but 0-3 in the playoffs. It's not because of Allen. Without Allen McD has Marvin Lewis' playoff record of he even gets into the playoffs. Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Agree. Allen is an excellent pocket passer already. His only true weakness is his deep ball. It's atrocious at times. He misses wide open guys by several yards at times. He could use a little more touch and accuracy on his swing passes to the flat as well. To me he and Marino are the two best intermediate passers of all time. I've never seen any better throw a 15 - 20 yard deep curl flat or in pattern. They are simply the best ever to do it.

This is as good a list of despicables as any other. No redeeming qualities for any of them. There are also so many more good choices people posted. My inclusion of Levy and Talley were specific to their failures in SuperBowl XXV. Along with No Goal and 13 seconds, XXV has shaped the narrative of Buffalo sports for over three decades now. Sorry the pain of XXV will not go away until Allen lifts a Lombardi Lol...that would be a hand with only 3 fingers!

The only QB’s actually worth 60M are Mahomes and Allen. In fact, given the Super Bowl rings, Mahomes could literally just name his number. Ill listen to the argument for Lamar, given how Jackson-centric that team is, even though I don’t agree he’s worth it. Everyone else is a clear step below them or has issues staying on the field.

FireChans: "Josh: “I had to rework my mechanics this off-season because my injuries had me compensating incorrectly and making me a worse player” Beane: “I want Josh to keep that LB mentality and never change” 2024 off-season in a nutshell. Response: points out that Josh was injured in the pocket, not while acting like a linebacker and running downfield hitting people Adds "I'm not Team All-Josh's-Injuries-Are-In-The-Pocket 'cuz it's not true, and also 'cuz bangs and dings and bumps accumulate and your body hands you the bill in your 30s and 40s. But let's not pretend that being a QB who stays behind the LOS precludes injury, because it doesn't." You're precious, you really are

Yeah but did you see the injuries Lawrence came back from? People were even saying “dude just stay out of the game.” The guy is hyper tough. Showed amazing play in the playoffs the other year. The negative narratives are coming from the same source as the “Allen does nothing but throw INTs” people. Give Lawrence another year before throwing in the towel.

Is Patrick Mahomes just a "pocket QB"? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning clearly aren't the comps. Nobody is saying that. Why hyperbolize? It doesn't advance the argument. Allen doesn't have to be a statue in the pocket to NOT run the ball 9-10 times per game like he did down the stretch last season. Like I said........Mahomes is a good comp. Elway is an example if you want to go back. 50-75 rushes per year should be enough for a QB of Allen's type. But if you want to think he's not in Mahomes category as a passer we will have to agree to disagree.

At this pace when Josh Allen is up for a new contract he will be the first $100million a year plyer.

What you have seen is with an undercurrent that at any moment he can absolutely gash you with his legs. When Josh is up against it he runs. It's a huge part of his game, especially on 3rd down. So again, to project what he would be like if that was taken away is pretty difficult.

Who in their right mind would give Dak 50 million a year? He can’t win a big game. He got embarrassed by GB in the playoffs and that’s just the most recent failure. He loses games that he should win. The Bills and Miami blew them out. He lost to a crappy, decimated Philly team in Philly. He beat Detroit when the refs missed an obvious call and the Lions didn’t even need the game. Dak’s just a serviceable QB who can’t come from behind and when his running game is not clicking he can’t win with his arm. I guess the Cowboys have to pay the going rate because rebuilding is not in Jerry’s DNA. It’s an insult to give Dak Allen or Mahomes money.

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You've meandered your goal posts here. It's important to understand that the stupidity isn't excusable because people with common sense aren't going to be satisfied with either approach to building around Josh Allen. There is a right way. That will satisfy those who understand that you can't expect to run your QB 100-120 times per season........then ramp it up more in the postseason.......and have him give you 15+ years of high quality football. It's not been done. Your second paragraph hyperbolizes the expectation of those with common sense. Of course he is going to run sometimes. 50-75 runs over the course of a regular season is in the typical Mahomes/Elway range for a mobile passer that has worked in the last 40 years. That's plenty. That will be plenty of contact to scratch that itch if he has receivers open and making plays. There is no reason to believe otherwise. He's not trending higher in carries since 2020 because he is getting wilder........he's doing it because it's needed with this increasingly unimpressive cast around him.

Why do you think the Cowboys are hostage? They can move on from Dak. Are they going to be worse if they went with Cooper Rush or Trey Lance? Teams get too smitten with some guys, just because they have been there a while. Look at the results. Dak is good at times. But he is no Josh Allen. Doesn't play with that fire. But Jerry loves his players. Thinks there always better then they really are. That's why the Cowboys are always a paper tiger. Management thinks because these guys have the star on their helmet they are something special. Cowboys didn't look too special playing in the rain and cold of Buffalo last year. Or in the playoffs at home against the Packers. And their coach Fatty McCarthy isn't very special either. McDermott has owned him. But if the Cowboys were smart enough to let Dak walk, or at least wait to see what he brings to the team this year, some other team will be stupid enough to pay him big bucks, and get less production then they hoped for. Here is a question for you and the entire board. Who would you rather have as your starting QB for the next 2-4 years, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins or Dak Prescott? And throw in Jalen Hurts and Trevor Lawrence also.

I have seen Josh evolve as a QB. I have seen him carve teams up from the pocket. He has come a long way from scrambling all the time to keep drives alive. Im surprised because him depending on his legs is an old talking point from seasons ago. Not saying age wont have its effects or whatever but I am not worried that his game will be falling apart because he cant cheat code as much. If he isnt compelled to have gotten better over them future years then it will be time to move on.

Love Burr but that Allen joke won’t age well.

While I don't disagree with the concept of getting him better weapons, I do disagree with the idea of making Josh a pocket QB. Josh is not a pocket QB. His accuracy improved between College and the Pro's, against the odds. But he's not a Manning, Brady, Rodgers type. If you take his ability to get first downs with his legs away, you're getting a much lesser QB. I think that showed in the first half of the season. McDermott was banging it into his skull to run less and not risk injury. And the results were mixed. It wasn't until later in the season and into the Playoffs when he put that out of his head that we started going on a run.

If you're a mathemetician, statistician, game theorist, actuary, portfolio manager, pro gambler, or otherwise talented with numbers, please keep your corrections to yourselves because here's how I do the math... Allen has 10 good years left. Each year, as one of the better teams in the league, we have a roughly 10% chance of winning a Lombardi. 10 x 10% = 100%. It's a mathematical certainty we'll win a Super Bowl at some point in the next decade.

The Chargers with Philip Rivers were once in a playoff game with the Jets where the Chargers kicker Nate kaeding missed 3 kicks in that same playoff game. The Chargers were hugely favored in that playoff game and lost because of the kicker. It looks like Josh's career is following the same trajectory as Philip Rivers at this point. I'm very sorry.

In 20 years of following the Bills and Sabres, only one GM has built a team that's competitive. And for that reason Beane gets an A from me. Josh is a big part of it, but we've had excellent defenses as well. And a decent OL, which the Bills haven't had in ages.

At some point, Josh will have to evolve.

I don’t think we know how long Allen has. He’s a very unique player and his legs open up a lot downfield. How long will his mobility place this sort of pressure on defenses? Its one thing to be mobile it’s another to do what Josh has done since he entered the league.

Why are you including the Burrow pick and not the Josh and Edmunds picks lol

We won't see another talent like Allen for decades on this team, if even then. We either win one with him, or most of us won't see it in our lifetimes. I'm also riding out the ship with McD and Beane. We've gotten so damn close and I, for one, don't think disrupting coaching and GM at this point is the correct way, given Allen's tenure time. Too much can be disrupted.