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Hmmm... This is why I hate that #10 Overall Slot this year...I hope The Bills Trade Down and get the best of Mercilus, Ingram, or Upshaw...I really don't have a favorite between Upshaw and Ingram...I think Mercilus is a bit of a gamble, especially at #10...In this scenerio, without a Trade Down I think I would go "safe" and take Martin or Adams...I don't know...This Draft scares the heck out of me...

To be honest I think Film and the actual Games are the start of evaluation, with the Combine as sort of the start of the Final Grade...You have to get all the official Measurements etc...Then by the time the Private Workouts are Finished you have the final, Final Grades...I definitely have an idea of who is there now...But after the Combine, and more specifically after the PW's, it becomes MUCH clearer...

I see where you're going with this... But 1st off the new Sabers Owner has had what? One Year? Not exactly enough time to make any concrete judgments on the moves thus-far... But also, you would have to be assuming the Bills new regime would be as poor in evaluating the talent they decide to pay...Pegula decided to stick with Darcy and Lindy...What if The new Bills Ownership blows it up? You never know...And at this point, IMHO, assuming new Ownership will not be a HUGE step in the right direction for The Bills is just crazy...It's the Teams biggest need by a country mile...Everyone knows it...To argue the opposite is just being devils advocate for the sake of being devils advocate...

The NFL Draft has been my favorite hobby since the early 90's...I've bought and read just about every one of the Top guys Pub's over the years...And...IMHO...Mayock is head over heels above all of them...I have always liked Kiper...He's SUPER smart and studied...People don't give him credit for how thorough he is...Is he wrong sometimes? Sure he is...But projecting this stuff is not exactly easy...If it was Tom Brady would have gone #1 overall...I think McShay is BY FAR the most overrated guy...He seems to go out on a limb more...So maybe that's why he's wrong more often...I should also mention that I LOVED Joel Buchsbaum's Draft reports when he did them for PFW...May he RIP...

You are right about one thing...Mayock is the best... Again...The same Robert Ayers who had 2 Sacks in a Playoff Win, was a HUGE piece of a pretty good young Defense, is being praised by his Teammates for his hard work and improvement, and played out of Position early on in his Pro career... Lets wait a few Years before we determine the final grade on Ayers...He may not be the best Defender from that Draft...But he also may turn out to be REAL good nonetheless...

NO! He did not say that! In fact Mayock had a little Film session on why he did not feel Maybin was worth a 1st Round Pick...He said Maybin could not hold up vs. the Run in College and that, in the NFL, Teams would exploit that weakness in a huge way...It was Todd McShay who felt Maybin was the next Jason Taylor...Mayock was not a big Maybin Fan at all... Mayock is not perfect, but he's head over heals better than the rest...So take it back...

To say I would be pissed would definitely be an understatement...The Bills are simply not good enough to lose ANY of their decent Players without, once again, taking a step backwards...

With all respect due, if Stevie does not re-sign with The Bills, who really gives a fug where he goes or where he fits?... But I'm pretty sure The Jets are out...Especially after they decided to bring Holmes back...

Yawn...

Exactly Bro... One of the things I think is lost in Andre's bid here is how every Defense The Bills ever played HAD to concentrate on taking him out of the Passing Game first and foremost (admittedly they had to deal with Thurman as well...But Andre was clearly the guy you needed to stop vertically)...That just makes what guys like Andre and Irvin did even more impressive...I don't think Carter or Monk brought that same fear whatsoever...I could be wrong, but I just did not see it...

No offense...But it's over exaggerations like this that just frustrate the heck out of me... Well anyway...First of all, it's NYC, and of course there is going to be differing opinion...It's a tough, maybe the toughest Market when it comes to scrutiny...It's a massive Market with a small but VERY vocal bunch of loud mouth idiots on Sports Talk Radio that know next-to-nothing...But I'm pretty sure the majority did not want to run Eli out of Town before that 1st SB...He had gone 20-19 in his first 2 1/2 years as a Starter and got the Giants to the Playoffs twice...6 of those 19 losses came when he was thrown in as a Rookie... Just saying...

Why you getting so upset? No offense...But like others have pointed out, Dareus was an Elite Prospect for quite some time before The Combine...I know Mayock had Dareus at, or near, #1 overall leading up to the Combine...Dareus was an elite Prospect before and after Indy...I'm not sure what Mocks and Ratings you were studying...Opinions on these Kids are like...well...you know...But Dareus was clearly thought of as a Top 5 on anybody's Board that mattered...Just saying

Good... The white on white was...IMHO...Just terrible...Awful...Real bad...etc...

Break out of where? Prison? I was not aware he was incarcerated... You got the low risk part right though...You just forgot the low reward...

I think we need to know if the Bills re-sign Stevie, Bell, and Chandler before any speculation can take place... Just my opinion...But I think the status of those 3 Bills UFA's will have the biggest impact on what they will do in Free Agency and the Draft...

Pornstacio! That's awesome! I LOL'd HARD!

REALLY pissed!... Again...

We agree there...I'll tell you what...If this Organization can't get a deal done with Stevie... I don't know...But I know I've had quite enough of The Bills losing talent and barely treading water in that area...They cannot afford to lose a guy like Stevie and still expect to be competitive in a Division that may just add Peyton Manning next year...They better re-sign Stevie...They better get it done, and then get him help on the other side too... I honestly believe this deal will have an effect on Season Ticket Sales...Especially if they don't re-sign him...Fans can only take so much and Bills Fans have been though WAY more than their share with this Team...I have a feeling if Stevie gets away, no matter what they do after, they are going to seriously piss off a good portion of their Fan base...I just have a feeling about that...

You do realize that's not saying much right? Just saying...

Nope...At least not IMHO...That's who I want too...Like I said earlier in this thread I'm assuming he comes to the Combine and his Workouts in great shape and all...I think he's a major talent...Top 5 talent if he runs in the 4.5's...

Buddy did say that, but considering the fact that the likely Starter at LT for The Bills in 2012 was a 4th Round Pick (I'm assuming Bell will not be back), I think he was more or less saying The Bills would Draft an OT somewhere...I'm not so sure it's going to be in the 1st Round...I'm even less sure it will be Reiff...There is some real debate over whether or not Reiff has the athleticism to be a Franchise LT...There seems to be no question he'll start and be a good Player...But if enough Teams see him as a RT only Prospect he's going to slide a bit...Not as much as Bulaga, but a bit...And if the Bills are one of those Teams that see Reiff as more of a RT, they won't Draft him at #10...Period... We'll see though...If any Team from 1-9 sees Reiff as a Franchise LT he'll surely be gone because it's such and important Position...And if he's there at #10, and The Bills Draft him, he better strap it on because he's going to play a lot as a Rookie...In the end though, because they have Harrison, I think The Bills go elsewhere at #10...Not that a player like Reiff, Martin, or even Mike Adams would not improve the O-Line at LT...But the other pressing needs on Defense, and at WR, make it more of an outside chance IMHO...

Well...It's a red-flag...I'm not disputing that...But he's a College Kid, and I'm more than willing to give him a pass if he shows up at the Combine and his workouts in good shape...I don't think he's a bad Kid or anything like that...It's just my opinion, but I think he's got Larry Fitgerald-type potential...Maybe better...We'll see...

It's all going to be about the Combine and/or Private Workouts for Jeffery...He did let himself get a little out-of-shape last Season...But in actuality his weight did not effect his production nearly as much as the QB change...He still runs by CB's like Dennard with little effort...But if he gets his weight WAY down, shows dedication to being in top condition, and runs in the 4.5's, I can't see why he would not be a Top 7-15 Pick...If he shows up with that little pooch and looks slow, he'll slide...despite being enormously talented...

OT Martin OT Reiff WR Jeffery (I'm assuming he gets serious about his conditioning for the Combine...If so I think he's an elite Prospect and a HUGE upgrade...I realize I'm in the minority on Jeffery...but I don't care...lol) DE Coples (not sure about safe...But his upside is pretty high) DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw (I think he's a VERY safe pick...But not spectacular...)