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Right, cause everyone who recognizes Trent's problems is only concerned with running decent QB's like JP out of Buffalo...

OK I'll bite... But 1st I'll say after yesterday there is little question the Fish are the better Team...Especially considering Trent Edwards is still the starter at QB in Buffalo... But I'm curious...What exactly did you see out of the Fish that gave you the opinion they are anything better than average?...Henne? The fact that they ran the Ball decently against this Bills Defense? The fact that they did the impossible and confused Edwards? The fact that Miami's Defense looked good stacking the box and daring the Bills to pass while completely taking away the Running Backs?...Something every NFL Team is going to do against The Bills until Edwards proves he can beat it... I don't know...Miami did not impress me at all yesterday in comparison to the hype they've received...Are they better than the Bills with Edwards at QB? Sure they are, but who is not? The way I see it Miami is clearly behind NE and still a bit behind the Jets in this Division. If the Bills had a decent QB Miami would be the 4th best Team in the Division... But maybe that's just me...

At this point there really is no denying it...I don't know why anyone would try...It's not like the Kid is putting decent Games together and the Defense is giving up 40 points a Game...If Edwards was halfway decent his career record would be outstanding considering some of the efforts he's got on Defense over the years (sure the Defense broke down a lot in the 4th Quarter of Games, but they were also on the field constantly)... Trent's toast...That's all there is to it...Sad but true...

I agree...And I know most folks don't pay attention to my thoughts around here, at least the smart ones don't...But anyone who does knows I'm not a Fitz fan whatsoever...Still, until he gets the chance I'm going to wonder how Fitz (or Brohm for that matter) would do running Gailey's Offense...It has nothing to do with a feeling like either will do better, I'm just curious I guess...

Wow...Don't know what to say about that...I'm the last one to sit here and say The Bills have great receivers...But after all this time and evidence to the contrary, to have that type of faith in Edwards...That's pretty amazing... I think it's actually quite simple...TE may find a picture perfect situation he can walk into and be productive...I kinda doubt it, but anything is possible...To me it just seems as if he's broken...I don't think he's ever going to be very good, and God knows I've given him the benefit of the doubt. He'll have a decent game every now and again...But for the most part, vs. decent Defenses, he's going to be tentative and ineffective most of the time...

Incredible...

Fair enough...Though I think I've seen The Bills line play a lot worse than they did today...Not saying much I know... But I really do think it's beyond that now...I'm starting to believe those who think Edwards has pretty much been broken since the concussion in Az...It may explain why he's obviously pretty darn good in Practice and Practice Games, yet he can't get it done when the real games start...There is something broken in that Kid...I'm not saying the Bills O-Line is good enough...I just know Trent is definitely not good enough right now...

True... CG said in his Presser he wanted to Run the Ball, but I think it was the way he wanted to run it that did not work today...The Bills were not going to line up and try to be physical today...They were going to get Miami going one way and Run it, or throw it the other way...It did not work. Miami was not fooled because the book on Trent Edwards has already been written...Stack the line, shut down the Running Backs and dare, I mean just dare Edwards to throw the ball. Because he's not going to force it in down the middle of the field, and he will check down to the short pass on the perimeter...He's as easy to defend as Flutie was without the scrambling ability... But getting back to my original point I think Gailey tried to be a little too cute with the Running Game today and The Bills paid the price...Not only did it not work, but Miami was fresh and unpounded in the 4th Quarter...

Facts is facts...

Seriously...Is reading comprehension a problem for you? You respond to my post saying everyone is high then you go on to elaborate, with many more words, pretty much exactly what I wrote... I said Miami was overrated only to point out we would get pounded vs. better Teams...How is that being high when your point is basically the exact same? Just saying...Read...

If we had a real QB we would have won that Game by at least 2 TD's because the whole Game Plan would have been different...As it is now the Bills HAVE to win with Freddy, CJ, and Marshawn because they don't have a QB who can win it for em.' The Backs get shut down and it's game over...That's all there is to that...

While I greatly overestimated the Bills going into this Game what I think I did get right was the fact that Miami is overrated...I think we'll see how much the next couple weeks when The Bills get absolutely pounded by "real" good Teams... Hope I'm wrong though...

The Bills O-Line is below average... It's no longer an excuse for Trentative though...It's just not...He's not good enough most of the time...That's all there is to that... Exactly correct...

I definitely felt the Game Plan was WAY too cute...Many of those Passes where just cute little ways to get the Ball in the Hands of Jackson, Spiller and Lynch...It did not work...No one was fooled...The fish were the FAR more physical Team...Whatelse is new...I've been saying this for quite a few years now...If the Bills can't line up and pound the Ball with a physical running Game they are not going to win in Buffalo...It's WNY not the West Coast...Gailey says it's a tough Game for tough people, then he better get them to go out and play that way and stop trying to be cute...Line up and beat the guy in front of you first and then we'll talk about the cute stuff...

I said 7-9 to 9-7 and not the worst Team in the NFL by a longshot... With QB play as bad as it was today, and blocking not much better, I'd say I was a bit too optimistic at the very least...Maybe even dead wrong... Oh well...Not the first time, won't be the last...

That was really sickening to watch. I apologize to anyone who will listen for having any faith in this Team as long as Edwards is the Starting QB...I can't believe I did not know better after these last couple years...Honestly, I am NOT a Fitz Fan whatsoever, but I concede now he's better than Trent. I was wrong...Trent can't play in this league anymore...Not as long as he's afraid to throw the Ball...An NFL QB cannot be afraid to throw the ball...He's scared and it's over for Trent Edwards as far as I'm concerned...Give me Locker, Mallett, whoever...Just give me a new QB in 2011 cause I can't take this crap any more... And please folks, lets not blame the Line anymore...Sure they are below average...No doubt...But Trent sucks... OK rant over...I should have known better though...I should have known...

Edwards certainly has not looked good, but to be fair the Bills game plan was obviously to throw a million different little wrinkles in order to get the Ball to Spiller, Jackson, and Lynch. That Game Plan has failed thus far...And failed pretty bad...They are not fooling anyone out there, and I'm not sure why they just don't come out and try to pound it instead of being all cute about it... That being said, Edwards is just not a QB that is going to cover up a lot for you...He's just not that good...

He should be...So far, same ol' Trent...Taking a Sack there is just...well...Trent Edwards being Trent Edwards...I hate it cause I want the kid to snap out of it but when the lights come on he just can't seem to do it with any consistency... The question is always going to be, if the Game comes down to needing one drive from Edwards, does anyone really think he's going to deliver?

Wow... Talk about coming out flat...Jeez...

Wow...Is there a link or something for that quote? I never ask for links, I usually don't care much...But...I mean...How in the world could anyone actually say this about a Team that had 6 wins Last Season? Not to mention we're less than 2 years removed from the Lions going 0-16??? Anyone saying that about The Bills should be ashamed of themselves...Hell they could totally suck and that statement would still be a huge pile of steaming crap...

Cannot possibly watch that enough... Has to be the millionth time I've watched it, and I keep rewinding to see it one more time...I'll never get any work done now...

Exactly... What kind of a Bills Fan could have a problem with what Kelly does for this Team at this point? He's a Hall Of Fame Cheerleader and HUGE supporter of the Bills and WNY...That goes for TT too...Personally I love the guys...Always will...

Game Preview Kirwan - "Chan Gailey said to me I've got a Team as mad as a hornets nest. The thing I had going for me when I came to this place (Buffalo) was how mad the players are that everyone thinks they are terrible."

This thread has been some fun reading...I think the discussion is important at this point of The Bills Franchise no matter what side you fall on... I always try to be as fair as I can with folks who write about Football for a living. Once upon a time it's what I wanted to do with my life. So when I see people who actually do make a living writing about NFL Football taking it on the chin a bit, I try to be objective... I admit when it comes to The Bills that is hard at times...I have no doubt that guys like JW, and Tim Graham for that matter do their homework...It's evident when you read their work. Like it or not, their opinions are based on some homework and experience. But that is by no means the norm when you consider what you read and hear around the nation on a daily basis...I think, at times, I have an inner radar about these things...Because when I see guys like Jason La Canfora talk about the Bills, I know almost instantly they really have no clue what is going on in Western NY...They gloss over the the obvious stuff, talk to (well probably text) the same guys who regurgitate the same information ad nauseam, and give a 30 second sound bite on how things are exactly the same in Buffalo despite all the changes they made and who is now in charge...To me much of what I see in the national level media is basically just piling on and not really based on much factual discovery...I realize a guy like La Canfora can still get a good scoop and feel for his hometown Redskins, but the fact that they have him giving opinions on The Bills is a HUGE part of the media backlash you see around here at times...It's a cumulative thing...It festers...The fact that someone out there is predicting that the Bills are the most likely NFL Team to go winless proves there are idiots out there...You just have to look under some rocks to find them at times...At other times they are as plain as day... I think I'm a bit more optimistic about The Bills chances this year than the average Sports Writer...I'll admit it, but not much more optimistic...I think they'll finish between 7-9 and 9-7...I think The Bills are being underrated a little and I definitely think the rest of the AFC East is being a bit overrated...I have a million reasons why I believe this to be true and yes, I definitely believe I have a little more insight than some writers who don't have a vested interest in following this Division...Does that make me dilusional? Most who know me would say so, but that's besides the point... In the end though it is just Football and we should learn to be civil towards one another (that excludes any negative comments towards Fatasaurus Rex, Sanchez, the Jets, the Fish, the Patsies, etc, etc...)...I'll try to work on it on my end...No promises though... Go Bills!!!

1. AFC Championship Game...What could be better than beating the Fish at their House to go to the SB? I still have wonderful visions of Phil Hansen's INT... 2. 89...Kelly...Enough said...