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Some Scouts like Todd McShay loved Maybin...They got enamored with his 1st step and assumed he would fill out in time and become a monster...Others like Mike Mayock had SERIOUS, and I mean SERIOUS reservations on whether or not the Kid could ever stand up vs. the Run in the NFL... Taking a situational Pass Rusher with the #11 overall Pick is a joke...And at this point, say what you will about this supposed developmental time that he still needs, Maybin looks like a Part-time player at best...Watch him on the Field...He's NOT a natural...He's just not...There are guys who came into the NFL with lean builds who are naturals...Jason Taylor and DeMarcus Ware are two that come to mind immediately...Clay Matthews weighed 240 at the Combine...Brian Cushing weighed 243...Maybin weighed 249 at the Combine...Maybin is simply not in the league of these other guys as a football player...He's just not that good or instinctive...He's just not...The weight thing and body-type are all just excuses for the fact that he basically has no idea what he's doing out there...Right now, he's just not very good and no where near where the #11 overall pick should be... I agree that dumping or trading Maybin now is not a good idea...But lets not get carried away with the promise of a new day with this Kid...If he was better he would be making plays...Until he starts doing that I don't see how it matters what any Scout said about him before he was Drafted...Scouts are wrong all the time...And as of right now the Bills were dead wrong to Draft Maybin...No getting around it...

Fair enough dave, but what was the alternative? They Drafted Spiller and that's what sent this whole thing in motion...Like it or not, that's where they are today...The market for Lynch was the market for Lynch, good or bad...But something had to give and I don't think there was any way the Bills were Trading Fred Jackson because they value him MUCH higher than Lynch overall...So no question chances are the Bills don't get equal value in return for Lynch...But what they do get is more PT for Freddie and CJ, and a less clogged, more content backfield...They get 2 Players who are not just good but great locker room guys and they get rid of a clown...He's not a horrible kid necessarily(unless of coarse your the person he runs over or their family) or a bad teammate, but he's a clown...And this team does not need a clown right now...So call it addition by subtraction, or whatever, but I can't see the harm in this regardless of what they get with that 4th...And who knows...Maybe they get the next Dre Reed for this franchise and it turns into a monster deal...It could happen...Even a blind squirrel catches a nut every now and again...You never, ever know...

Amen... But it is funny how Bills Fans, who actually do watch the Games, seem to miss this...It's not a knock on Marshawn either...Freddie is simply the better RB overall...

That may be true, but I just don't see how it matters. Why extend a Player who is below average? Especially when you're in an obvious re-build...Makes no sense at all...None...But I guess we should all be used to it by now... Honestly it's an embarrassment to be associated with this Organization in any way...Even if it is just being a Fan of 40 Years...

The Pats ability to stay ahead of the curve on Draft day over these years, and other Teams willingness to allow them to do so, is truly astounding...It's an amazing job being done up there...They seemingly re-stock every year...

This much we agree on...Hindsight is always 20/20...But Lynch was simply not a good fit for Buffalo...

Please...Let's not bring facts into this argument...

Was that sarcasm?

SD Chargers 4th Round Picks from 2001-2008 2001 - Carlos Polk -LB - Nebraska 2002 - Justin Peelle - TE - Oregon 2003 - Matt Wilhelm - LB - Ohio State 2004 - Shaun Phillips - LB - Purdue 2005 - Darren Sproles - RB - Kansas State 2006 - No 4th Round Pick 2007 - Scott Chandler - TE - Iowa - with the Cowboys now, on the active roster 2008 - No 4th round Pick I'm not the biggest Nix Fan in the world...But..Just saying...

I know Rich...I know far too well about Harris...I can promise if you look back in the archives I was PRAYING The Bills would take Harris in the 2nd Round...Of coarse a big part of that was being a Michigan Fan...And then the Bills go out and take the slower less physical Kid from Penn St...lol...There were plenty of Scouts who had Harris rated ahead of Poz...Yet another example of Levy and Jauron out-thinking themselves...

Agreed...No way The Bills scrap the 3-4 when they spent the past off-season making moves, and more importantly Drafting players to switch to the 3-4... Get over it Folks...This Season is a throw-away...The Bills suck and the bright-side is it's only 12 more Games until the Off Season...Quit looking for things that "in your opinion" are going to make this Team better because they wont...There is no getting better...At least not much better...They'll start getting better next year... Well...Maybe they will...

Fair enough...But at this time last year there were plenty of Scouts and Folks right here who said Sam Bradford was not tough enough to play a single Down in the NFL...There were all kinds of Folks saying they would not Draft him and I had serious doubts about his toughness myself...I was wrong, and so were they...It's early in the process...Sit back, relax, and let it all play out...One of these Kids could be the next Jim Kelly for this Franchise if given the opportunity...To say the Bills should not Draft a QB in the 1st Round at this point, given what they have on this Roster, is premature at the very least...

What? We got Yao Ming? When?

This is the type of over-generalization I've come to love about some Posters on TSW... Cause after all it's just a Mob mentality around here. Always has been...And as RJD sang so intuitively those many years ago..."The Mob Rules!"

Actually I'm still laughing at the "unvinceable" part... But grats to your Jets...Good luck...Peace...

They were not good enough to be kept as Vet Back-ups on their old Teams so... Agreed...

In that aspect sure...But in many others ways, including the size of his hands, Fitz comes up WAY short...He does the best he can with what he has...He's a good back-up which is better than I though he was going into this Season...But that's about it... I see a few Folks getting a little carried away with what we have here now thinking this or that is OK...For the most part, it's not...It is what it is...Lets not get carried away...The Bills have maybe 10-15 Players that would be starting on other Teams...That's it, if that!!!...It's the cold hard truth...Fitz is a back-up...That's it...Lets be real...

I'm going to assume the Bills will stick with Nix and Gailey...I just doubt Ralph will do much about that...I'd like to see Whaley get even more responsibility this Off Season... Modrak has to go...Nix or Whaley need to get their own Guy in that Position...It's a must...It has to happen...The whole Scouting Dept has to be looked at...Pro Player Dept as well...Top to bottom...They need to re-double efforts in these areas...Triple efforts in these areas...The Bills have been WAY behind the rest of the NFL in these areas since JB and AJ Smith left town...The list is a mile long...McGahee, Kelsay, Losman, Tim Anderson, Parrish (Vincent Jackson went 6 picks later), Whitner, McCargo, Youboty, Edwards, McKelvin (ahead of Rodgers-Cromartie), Hardy, and Maybin...Those names are 1st-3rd Round Picks since 2003 that are either gone (5 including 2 QB's!!!), not Starters (4), or Starters performing WAY below the organizations expectations (Whitner and Kelsay)... That record is SO brutal it's almost impossible to imagine...They have to get back into the business of finding quality football players...Period...It's not a quick fix and it's not going to show up in wins and losses over night...But it can happen quickly...There are plenty of examples in recent NFL history (KC, Miami, New Orleans, etc)... The Bills need to Trade Marshawn Lynch and get a Pick for him... They need to get a Young QB and build around him...We'll see who that guy is going to be soon enough...But whoever it is, they need to get it right this time... Build the O-Line and continue to build the Defensive Front seven. Get more physical, and for God's sake Draft some tough guys... Build this Team around Buffalo NY!!! Run, stop the run, and beat the living crap out of opponents when the weather goes bad...Break the will of these teams...Stop trying to be cute and be a physical...Build a tough, hard nosed, blue-collar Football Team... Don't suck...

I'm certainly not the biggest Lil' Donte Fan, but I agree with your take 100%...It's close to the same point I made about Maybin a couple days ago...This Scouting Department, and the old FO, put a guy like Donte in an impossible situation. He's just not that good...Put him on a Defense like Baltimore's and he would be OK I guess...Not great by any means...But serviceable...But in Buffalo, where he's asked to be outstanding based on where he was picked, his deficiencies are magnified 1000 times over. And he should never have been put in that place...Period...The Bills were looking for the next Ed Reed and what they got was a guy who would turn out to be be a 3rd or 4th-Round type value... Whitner's proud...I'm sure he still feels he's a Top 10-type talent...And he seems to care enough and be a good teammate...It's the Bills fault they put Lil' Donte in this position where failure, based on his talent level and where he was Drafted, was unavoidable...Thanks Marv...

I was thinking the same thing the other day...I swear I know it's coming...It's going to take a hell of a sales job, and I don't think Gailey and Nix are up to the task to be honest...We'll see... That's not necessarily true...Plenty of Scouts had McKinnie ahead of Williams...Plus it was basically consensus that Williams was likely going to have to play RT in the NFL...I know I wanted McKinnie...Not that I thought Williams would be a bust...I just thought McKinnie would be better and he's a LT...

It's impossible for me to put into words how much I disagree with that statement...I think you're WAY underestimating Mallett's potential...He's only a Jr. He's gotten better every year...I think when you look at the way Alabama is throttling Florida tonight it's a testament to how good Mallett has become (the way he played vs. Alabama's D at times last week)...I don't think Mallett is a finished product by any means...And he certainly has his limitations as a scrambler...But in the end I think he's every bit as good a Prospect as say...Joe Flacco...And Flacco is a million time better than anything we've seen in Buffalo for a while now...I don't think there is any way the Bills would pass on Mallett if they get a chance to draft him in 2011...Unless Luck is available of coarse...And even then I'm sure there will be a discussion...I'm not saying Mallett is the next coming either...I'm just saying he's a better Pro Prospect than Locker, and The Bills are going to consider him intensely...

We definitely could use some at this point...

I think the possibility of a Trade is interesting already and we have no clue who is going to be there and where the Bills will Pick...And who knows? Maybe Mallett (or if it's Luck) decides he wants nothing to do with Buffalo (see Eli Manning and John Elway...This stuff does happen). Maybe a Trade is forced...No question a Franchise QB Prospect can bring a bounty in return...And the Bills need as many Picks as they can get...It's an intriguing thought already... Still...Passing on a guy with an arm like Mallett has when you play in WNY is going to be awfully hard...And God forbid you pass on him and he becomes the next big thing while the Bills continue to Draft the way they have over the past few years...That's a recipe for another 10 years of losing Football right there...