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I'm still trying to figure out why this is a thread I knew was coming... Cause I had no idea...Really I didn't...

Well it's impossible to look at his College Highlight Tape and think the Kid does not have vision...I think it's a matter of Coaching right now and breaking some instincts that are a bit hard-wired for good reason...CJ's kind of had it easy before he got to the NFL simply because he's so talented and naturally gifted...But it's a different Game now and he has to adjust... I'm not too worried about what I see right now from Spiller...I think he'll be just fine...Whether or not The Bills should have used the #9 Pick on him...well...That's a whole different story...

This (to me at least) was the most impressive part of a VERY impressive day by The Bills Offense and Fitz...I don't think Fitz is the long term answer but he is clearly a MUCH better QB than I gave him credit for prior to this Season. And he seems to be getting better...No matter what The Bills plan on doing in the future Fitz has earned the right to be here...And The Bills need to make sure he stays around...I really don't know what I'm going to think if this play continues throughout the 2010 Season and Fitz ends up going to the Pro Bowl while finishing 2nd in QB rating to Manning...But at this point that is getting WAY ahead! We'll see I guess...

While I realize some of you still have not become accustomed to what is a typical ICE rant, I really don't see what the difference is between ICE's thoughts and the idiocy surrounding the "Fitz may be the guy," or "We don't need a Franchise QB" talk...I think ICE is FAR more right than wrong...Rant aside...Fitz gives the Bills a luxury...He'll be able to Start if the Rookie comes along slow, and he'll make a heck of a good back-up...Something I thought was up in the air before this year...But in no way, shape or form should the Bills pass on Luck if he comes out, or maybe even Mallett for that matter...No way... Now Folks, and ICE...Let's take a deep breath...The Bills have played 6 Games and they lead the race currently for the #1 Overall Pick...But there are 10 games remaining, and the way they played yesterday would indicate The Bills are going to win a few Games...All they have to do is win maybe 3 Games to take them out of the Top spot. And then if Luck does not come out the chances of getting a QB with a Top 5 Pick go WAY down...While I like Mallett a lot, there are some major questions he's going to have to answer before he's a sure-fire Top 3 Pick...And I doubt very much Locker will be in the conversation for a high 1st Round Pick...So realistically, even with the top Pick in the 2011 Draft there is no guarantee The Bills get a QB of the future...So I do think a lot of this talk is WAY premature... But again, if The Bills have the chance to Draft Luck it's an absolute no-brainer...I don't care if Fitzy Passes for 40 TD's this Year...No way this Franchise Passes on Luck...

Fixed... The underestimating of Ryan Mallett that goes on by some around here is further proof TBD's Scouts are almost as bad collectively as The Bills Scouts have been...If Gailey can help make Fitzy look this good I can't wait to see what he'll do with a Kid like Mallett...

I really don't understand how any Bills Fan could find much fault with that article...Heck it even seemed like the guy is reluctantly bashing The Bills...Even if he's correctly bashing them...He makes a bunch of great points and honestly, I just don't understand why Bills Fans are not seriously questioning whether or not this needs to be a one and done for Nix/Gailey. Especially considering they have given us the recent Kelsay extension, and if these reports are correct on the Lynch Trade...well...I just don't know what to say about that...I give up... This is an Organization by most accounts in complete and total disarray...I was willing to give Nix and Gailey the benefit of the doubt, but in a VERY short time they have ripped through their honeymoon period with bizarre moves, horrible judgement, or lack of action...It's freaking embarrassing...

Brock's inexperience REALLY shows when he's scrambling...He came out and needlessly expended a bunch of energy vs. a MUCH more experienced and savvy fighter...This was bound to happen sooner or later...Brock looks like he NEVER trains "worst case scenario." I'm not saying he doesn't, just saying he looks like he doesn't...He did the same thing vs. Carwin...Rolling around and covering up instead of working his way into guard and out of trouble...But Carwin punched himself out...Cain is WAY too smart for that...He picked Brock apart easy...Lesner better learn how to handle getting hit without going down and just rolling into a ball, cause his defense is not great...He's got a lot of ground to make up and he's not getting any younger...He's still not bad for 7 fights though...

I actually agree with you on that point...But stopping this negativity is like trying to stop a Freight Train at full speed by standing on the tracks, holding up your arm, and yelling HALT! Plus, lets face the basic facts...It's well deserved...I've seen plenty of positive get stomped and crushed over the past few years...I thought 7-9 to 9-7 this year...That's a HELL of a ways off from 0-5...So it's kind of like an avalanche of negativity...The only way to avoid it is to not be in it's path... IE...Don't come around TSW for the rest of the year...Because I promise you it's going to be negative around here...Why?...The Bills suck...

Well I could easily argue your Post is the one dreaming up what if's...The fact is these Players were drafted after the Bills Picked each year...It's a 100% fact...What Ngata may have done is irrelevant to the base argument here, which is basically that The Bills were brutal in evaluating talent during the Levy/Jauron years...It's about who we passed when we picked...The bunching them together is nothing more than showing it in bulk form... Sorry, no offense really, but Posts like yours just seem to excuse the incompetence instead of seeing the obvious...It's devil's advocacy for the sake of devil's advocacy and nothing more...It's akin to making it seem like it's really not as bad as it was...And if anything it's worse... Just saying...

I'll never forget that moment...I really thought Ngata was the Pick...It's weird because I did not give it a 2nd thought...Then the card came in and it was like...Huh?...Really?...Okey-doke... Well...How about Ngata, Orakpo, Ryan Clady, and Derrelle Revis instead of Whitner, Maybin, Lynch, and McLovin...

Honestly this is a REAL tough question! I'm not sure they can do anything right now to make me happy...Cancel the Kelsay extension? I don't know...I don't care much about anything Fitz does cause he's not our QB of the future...And a win right now would be great, but then again not so much...Cause the only way the Bills can assure themselves of having the pick of the litter is to finish with the worst record...Can you imagine going 2-14 and losing out on a Franchise QB to Cleveland because they went 1-15?...Man that would suck! And having that 1st Pick opens all possibilities... So I guess the answer can only be long term...Secure the #1 Pick in the 2011 Draft...That would make me VERY happy...

Totally 100% agree with that!!! I was holding my breath...

I was thinking he saw the receiver get shoved down and was looking to get a cheap call...But that may be giving Trent WAY too much credit...

Wow! You have a TON of confidence in Troupe and Carrington...And I hope you're right...It's early...But so far Carrington can't show enough to be active and it's not like Troupe is doing much to prove he's going to an anchor anything any time soon...Players make plays...Neither is doing much yet...Potential is a word that starts with p...that's about it... You're right about the new Folks in power, but there are holdovers as well in Scouting...So I'm not going to give anybody over there the benefit of the doubt just yet...Again I hope you're right about this Draft Class...But I think it's WAY to early to judge one way or the other just yet...

Well he may have a moment every now and again but the gap between Whitner and Ngata is still pretty freaking wide...Not to mention the Positional importance, etc...

How did Teddy and Marv not see eye to eye? I don't recall that at all? As for the punctuation police around here I would not sweat it much...It's a message board not an English essay test...

I thought it was Henry Jones..I seem to remember Marv bringing up his name a lot after the Whitner Pick...Maybe it was just everyone else bring Jones name up...I can't recall...No matter though...Whitner is not as good as Jones or Smith...Period...

You pretty much nailed it...hard to make plays flailing around or on the ground...The Kid looks so out of his league at times it's amazing he was even considered at #11 overall...Watching Orakpo, Matthews, and Cushing literally makes me nauseous...I just can't believe people who actually get paid to Scout and evaluate Talent picked that Kid over over those 3...It boggles the mind...

I agree about Mallett John... Especially considering what is currently on the Roster... And I will say this about Bell...He's improving...He's still only 26 Years old and if you go back and read what they were saying about him when he entered the NFL his career has pretty much followed the path that those who believed in his upside thought it would...He came into the NFL SO completely raw but with almost ideal Frame and athletic ability...He needed a TON of work in the weight-room (which I'm assuming he's done) and a ton of PT (which has, for better or worse, been forced upon him)...He's still going to struggle at times, and he has struggled at times this year...That's a given because he's still relatively new to the Game and he had the injury to boot...He's definitely not a mauler, but honestly at this point, assuming he continues to improve and get healthier, I don't see a LT from the 2011 Draft beating him out anyway...And it should be noted that whipping boy or not, Bell's play is about on par with some recent Top 10 OT Draft Picks...Sure The Bills could use a Franchise caliber LT...But compared to QB, RT, LB, and a few other Positions...Bell is actually OK...And there is hope he will get MUCH better...

True Rich, but I gotta believe in this case IF they are in the Position to take the 1st QB in the Draft the complaints will be FAR less... Not on TSW of coarse...Just in general...

I know it's a bit early for predictions but...Who cares...The Bills suck and it's something to do... IF Mallett is on the Board when the Bills Picks and IF Luck is A) Already gone or, B) Stays in school as expected...Ryan Mallett will be the next Buffalo Bills QB... There is absolutely no doubt in my mind if that scenario plays out that's what will happen...

This is only a surprise for folks not paying attention...I heard last year that Luck was VERY likely to stay for at least the 2011 Season in Stanford...He's supposedly very close to his Sister who also goes to school there...So it's no surprise at all to hear he's likely to stay...

Exactly... Saying Donte is not at least part of the problem, let alone a symbol for why the Bills suck so bad, is just ignoring the obvious for the sake of pointing out what may be more obvious...We can talk forever about the other problems on this Team...There are plenty...Are there areas worse than SS? Sure there are...Were any of those Players the #8 overall Draft Pick? Nope...Are any of those players the vocal leaders on their side of the ball? Not really...The only person on the team I will say is more of an example of what is wrong with the Bills, and has been wrong with the Bills for years now, is Kelsay...But that does not make the Whitner situation any better...I've said forever that Whitner is not to be blamed for the idiocy of Drafting him #8 Overall, but that does not mean we need to make excuses for him either...He's just not that good...If he was he would make a TON more plays on the field...It really is as simple as that...It's not about player-hating or any of that garbage...It's about the fact that the #8 overall player in the 2006 Draft is simply not much more or less than just there...He does not make a difference on the field any where near enough... All I'm saying is lets stop pretending that if this or that happens, and if whatever was this way, Whitner would somehow not be so bad...Or furthermore lets stop saying it's not a big deal cause he's not the biggest problem on what is a terrible NFL football team...He may very well not be the biggest problem...but it's a problem nonetheless...And that problem is compounded by the fact that he was a Top 10 Draft Pick.. I doubt very much Whitner is in the long term plans for this Organization due to his play and his play only...We'll see though...I hope by some sort of Gods Grace Donte can change my mind by the end of this year...I have serious doubts about that though...Very serious doubts...

I've been personally insulted a million times but I'm still here... Seriously though if you've been around here as long as some of us have and you can't recognize the difference between then and now...well...You'd have to be pretty clueless...I'm 100% certain the fact that the Bills (as an Organization) have been a complete joke is most definitely a contributing factor...But in comparison to say, MMORPG.com...This is actually quite tame...