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Whether the NFL is or isn't similar in operation as would be a socialist society didn't need to be interjected into this discussion, unless you feel so inclined to take every opportunity, cheap or not, to make your political statements. To say the idea proposed by the OP is wonderful (and here's why) or it is preposterous (and here's why) would have been far more contributory and civil. Personally it seems more than a bit misguided.

That swings both ways. To those who go to the polls, the responsibility for our national debt (approximately 80%) should be born by those who have voted for Republicans. Regan virtually created deficit spending. In his 8 years, he manged to more than triple our national debt, a debt to that point had taken over 200 years to accumulate. Daddy Bush continued it. Then the bell-whether of them all, GWB added in the neighborhood of 5.5 trillion to it. To vote for Republicans on the basis of debt reduction is a classic example of insanity. To do the same thing over and over, but expect a different result. The GOP has absolutely no problem with debt so long as those dollars are going to the rich and big corporations and not to the common man/women.

One could throw in society as well. While it could be argued that the children, the parents and the government comprise society, i would submit it takes on a bit of all the entities and forms a life, a force of its own. It's a combination of the feeling of entitlement, built upon parents who wanted better lives for their children but haven't instilled responsibility and a work ethic in their children, and to a lesser of the government giving them something for nothing, for which most have yet to understand or take advantage of. The clash of the hard right and the way out left where ideologies are held as sacred and lost is the ability to reason, compromise, and understand not only the position of others, but even the understanding of what your own ideology means or having the foresight to see what it will lead to. "Adults" today can't get along, find common ground, or even attempt to work together for the benefit of all (the rich, the poor, the middle class) so as a society do we have the right to expect anything but indifference (or worse) from our youth today? None is so blind as those who will not see is the idiom to describe the political state of our country today as well. Our children are mirroring what we have perpetuated or created.

"f'n"? Reaching for words? I have to give credit to Right-wingers credit, they're consistent. Whenever anyone disagrees with them, out comes the "liberal" tag. News flash to the right. Calling someone a liberal is only an insult in your own shallow, heartless, immoral right-wing world. Strange how those who actually think for themselves, have the capacity to think a bit more progressively, and care about more than themselves are the bad guys. Yet those who fall in line with the right, heel to toe, without thought and a clue, are the good guys. Strange days indeed. Instead of working towards greatness and a better life for all, the right is fixated with making every one as miserable as they are (except the rich of course) .

Typical right wing spin and attacks throughout the replies here. The message Taibbi spoke of rings true. But, when there are those who take to heart the words of Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and the Fox "News" pundits, there becomes little hope left for the middle class. They have been fooled, hoodwinked , betrayed with a sound bit or two, and will one day wake up and wonder how their "boys and girls" let them down. Unfortunately, those of us who actually seek information from multiple sources, comparing as many points of view as possible, and manage to sort it out, realize the right has sold each and every one of us off to the rich.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: I used to enjoy Miller, that is until he did NFL Monday Football. Now he's slid further into the abyss of the right-wing.

You couldn't resist the political crap?

Did anyone watch Real Sports on HBO this week? It had a significant piece on Victor Conte (Balco). At one point in the interview from what appeared to be Victor's office or home, behind Victor was a signed 90's Blue number 90 jersey. Sure looked like Hansen's, but not quite sure as I didn't catch Hansen's name on the Jersey....... Just saying.... (Phil Hansen was one of my favorite players through the 90's....)

What Moats did do last year, was to show he has possibilities and potential. You are very correct in that he did not set the world on fire. If our other OLB's weren't so horrible, I don't believe he would have been looked upon so favorably by some.

It should have year many, many years ago!

169-170 yards per game allowed on the ground. Pro-bowler and promising second year guy did little to hold that sat back. I like Kyle Williams, but he's not a nose tackle. He's a pure penetrating DT, who might be able to play a bit of DE in a 3-4.

The uniforms presented are simple, yet classy. I often wondered if going to the red helmet actually helped our QB's in spotting our WR's or not. If they do help, then I have no issue staying with the red, but I always liked the white the best with the charging Buffalo.

Thanks, I was wondering what the heck a "drem" was.....

Fair and Balanced with the right means, "my way or the highway". They have a language all their own you know.....

Who knows what lives in the hearts of those at Fox. Heck, I'm not so sure they even have hearts.

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You said, " As far as I remember, and I was pretty mad about this, so I'm quite sure I remember it right - they never played Pat/Ted side by side in a 4-3. They were 3-4, so it was usually one or the other." Not dismissing your second sentence, but that doesn't change your first statement one iota, which wasn't correct. Out.....

Tell that to the Colts (Peyton Manning), or the Patriots (Tom Brady), or San Diego (Philip Rivers), or Houston (Matt Schaub), or actually the majority of the team in the NFL. A QB only needs to be mobile enough to be able to quickly move around in the pocket when needed.

I was thinking similarly on this as well. Our own, Alex Carrington is a big boy in the 285-290 range and may still grwo a bit more (weight wise), and he is anything but fat. I wonder if the league/NFLPA would ever consider body fat maximums? Seems, this would be helpful to the players while playing and after.

Memories! Nice pix. Only went to the Rockpile once as a lad, but I'll never forget the obstructed views (roof overhang supports) while trying to watch the game.

You clearly said "never" (see above). While it wasn't their base defense, your "never" statement was completely inaccurate. It was also used periodically in other games and of course, in goal line situations. Last I knew, "never" didn't mean some of the time, periodically, or infrequently.

Smerlas WAS a better player than Wright in his day. Maybe he could have pulled one more big day out of his hat (and manage to stay onside). Yet when he was let go (yes, the Bills declined to pursue re-signing him after the 1989 season, in which his game was deteriorating from his previous standard). In 1990, he played 6 games for SF, and played behind Michael Carter. In 1991 and 1992, he played for the Patriots and played behind Tim Goad. After the 1989 season, Fred was pretty much done as a player.

Not so fast there. Does anyone other than myself recall the Bills opener in 2000 against the Titans, which the Bills one, yet the Titan's running game featuring Eddie George was totally shut down as was the entire Titans offense? George 17 carries for 37 yards, Titans totals 20 carries, 53 yards. The Bills went 1st & 2nd downs most of the game with Pat and Ted side by side. It wasn't often, but the Bills did use both together from time to time.

Just be careful with the weight comparisons and "listed weights". Ted Washington was also "listed" at 325 for years and it was reported in his last year in Buffalo that he crowded 400 plus at times. It can go the other way as well. Bruce Smith carried a "listed" weigh of 273 but it was also reported back in the day that he frequently slipped under 260. Light or heavy, both Bruce and Ted were "players".

I would agree, but only if the Steelers manage to wipe that wise azz smirk off of Rodgers face in the process.