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Maybe we can put ketchup on Allen's steaks and see if it translates into better accuracy.

This is why I thought the Giants blew a prime opportunity to draft a QB this year. I don't care how much of a playmaker Barkley is. They should have drafted a QB with their first pick Looked more like Trentative this past weekend

No reason to do that. We should be done with him.

call me a wuss if you like, but I feel bad for any good person who loses his/her job. And in Peterman's case, he is unlikely to be in the career for which he trained the majority of his life. In reverse to your opinion, I dont understand the lack of empathy for a guy who did not wrong as a team mate. Why do you find it "sickening" ?

Was a decent guy and appeared to be a hard worker. Just a terrible QB. We should avoid cheap shots at him and wish him the best for his post-NFL life and career.

Yesterday was a totally fun game with I was not expecting. But it was enjoyable in large part due to Barkley. I started watching half expecting a Peterman-type performance but was pleasantly surprised. Having said that, we cannot ignore his history and have to expect his performance will adjust downward. But it can still be good enough considering what we got out of Peterman and Anderson. More broadly, though, I think McBeane accidentally stumbled and bumbled their way into an ideal situation for the QB stable for the long run. Allen as our franchise/starter, Barkley as backup and Anderson for the vet presence. Cut Nate asap

Nobody looking at that popped up ball

Care to give examples of teams which have taken 4-5 years to rebuild successfully after being bad for 15+ years?

As is evident by the countless threads and hundreds of posts, there will never be a consensus about his skills as a GM. All I know is that he was a good man and we should wish him well in his endeavors. Truly, the only FO/coach I have truly disliked from the bottom of my heart is Rex Ryan because he was a lazy, incompetent coach who had delusions of grandeur.

Good for him! I wish him luck. He is a good man

Then why should we believe him when he says he is trying to win games?

The rationalization by some on this board is indeed baffling. One would be hard pressed to come up with another example in the NFL where a playoff team tanked on one side of the ball in the name of a "rebuild". Right now it has been a teardown. Whether it gets rebuilt, time will tell. But as of now, there is no evidence in favor of McBeane

Bill, please, no RBs in the first round. Has Saquon Barkley helped the Giants turn the corner ? OTOH, Mack is putting the Bears in a different defensive league. RB are a luxury pick. Unless you are stacked on both sides of the ball, you never ever pick a RB in the first round. MCGahee....

Sad thing is that, despite the repeated spin put by John , Alpha and others, much of this incompetence is self inflicted. Any one can excuse a single move made by the FO but in entirety, it is a mess. Whaley was let go primarily because he could not build a winning team. Seeing how they paid such low attention to the offense, I have no confidence that this FO is phililosophically any better. The flip side to the 'give them time' plea is that by the time the offense is any good, the D would have slid. I just don't buy this logic that the cupboard was bare and needed a complete oberhaul. Plenty of examples around the league where new coaches have turned around a franchise in <2 years. The disaster we are seeing as a follow up to a playoff season is an utter inexcusable debacle. I believe it could be enough if he has a true #1 and a speedster to complement him.

As long as it is not to the Bears

3/5 are named Williams ! In other news, I have added nothing to this conversation.

As of right now, it doesnt matter who we get. We just need warm bodies to man the position. I agree with Simon's thoughts that Allen should not play at all for the rest of the year. Considering what is going on with injuries, you dont want him to continue getting beaten up. I agree on both these points. Trading AJM was a huge mistake as, despite the disparities in TC performance, they should have kept the mildly competent AJM as a safety net. Esp considering the mistake in assessing Peterman last year, thinking his offseason performance will translate to real games was a huge mistake in personnel evaluation. Secondly, I too had wondered a few weeks back why EJ is not brought in instead of Derek Anderson. This team seems to have a real hatred of EJ. As bad as he is, I am sure he is marginally better and more physically stout than the guys we have been bringing in.

I am confused. Are you interested in discussing realistic alternatives or just want to beat up on Allen ? Repeatedly posters are arguing your points and you keep gravitating back to "yea but Allen was bad at Wyoming and will never be any good". Stop with the charade and just state what you really want to say. Problem is that there is a general shortage of quality OL in the league. We may have to draft those too unless one happens to be available in FA at a position of need. I think we, at a minimum need to draft a Center as he will develop chemistry with Allen and that is good for the long term success of Allen and the O in general

I generally am not into superlatives but this is by far the worst this team has looked in the last 20 years. Utter incompetent mess. Offense is a total, unmitigated disaster and much of it is self inflicted. I would say this is comical if not for the number of QBs getting hurt.

For the meat grinder

Lol. The autocorrect gives away my internet activities. Wasn't it KB's bone headed penalty that erased a long pass play ? Guy is worse than dead weight

Thank you. We have dysfunctional posters here. As soon as there is a post complimenting a players, the 'not impressed ' gets attracted. Clearly Zay has improved in a offense with no true #1 , no deep throat and a shaky QB situation. I hope Zay keeps improving as he has worked his way up from a dismal rookie campaign

Romo pointed out that the bottom 4 in completion percentage are the 4 rookies

There is a difference between adding talent versus cutting good players. How many players cut by these teams have gone on to make other teams better ? The Bears really didnt have a good roster and blew it with several top draft picks. I think the OP's point is that teams such as the BIlls (and now Raiders) are cutting players who are good with the 'doesnt fit the scheme or process" excuse. Think Woods, Glenn, Dareus, Watkins. The fact is that the current regime has gotten rid of players who could have helped the Bills a lot this year.

You are reading too much into it