Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Texas is just slightly closer to KC than California is to Buffalo, so the answer is a resounding NO On a side note, don't understand all the love for In-and Out to begin with. Nothing special IMO other than more natural ingredients. Man I've got more negative comments on my post about a burger than I've ever got on anything I've written regarding the Bills!

I take these early depth charts with a grain of salt. Are they listed in the order they are more just for "political" reasons Example; Phillips is listed behind Butler as they feel he has more trade ability so hope to draw interest, If no one inquires come September, Butler is cut and they keep Phillips, same with D Johnson. Stevenson behind Williams just because he's a rookie? Having said all that, I think all 6th and 7th round picks this year are destined for the PS Many here will argue in the past Beane always kept his draft picks, but think it was because that was easy to do due to lack of overall depth. This year can't see him doing that and also improving the overall roster. On offense no wonder the Bills were so good last season, they have 12 players 1st team. Refs never caught that!! LOL Overall to me looks pretty easy, keep the 12 1st teams, all 2nd teamers except J Douglas then add three 3rd teams in Hodgins, Sweeney, and Brieda. Wouldn't also surprise me if the 3rd TE is someone not on the roster today and not necessarily named Etrz either. Could se a pickup there. Not sure how Q Morris is as a blocker, if as good as Sweeney, could see him taking that spot instead. On defense it's a bit more blurry IMO. Certainly all 1st teamers are in. 2nd teamers, think all are locks except Dodson, Butler, Wildgoose, and Hamlin. Wouldn't say they don't make it, but not locks either. Maybe Phillips jumps Butler. Does Wildgoose make it just because they want to keep 6 CB, or instead do they go with 5 CB and 5 S? Or does Cam Lewis make it instead of Wildgoose? Can A Smith play MLB? If so, think he's in and Dodson is out. Not sure you even need a backup for Klein considering how rare they even play 3 LB's. Can T Thompson also play strong safety, if so he makes it over Hamlin. 3rd teamers; Basham, Obada or Johnson (if not both) are in as is Matakevich plus I think Phillips sticks in the end as he is the best natural backup to Star. So that leaves me with 18 1st and 2nd teamers for certain make the team and then a combo of 7 more 2nd and 3rd teamers and won't count out the one 4th teamer in D Johnson. In the end, think it will be 10 D Line, 5 LB, and 10 secondary in some undetermined combination Throw in 3 ST on top of all that so end up with 25 each offense and defense and 3 ST. I also think in the end some of this gets completely blown up as likely one or two legit injuries that lands someone on IR and if no legit ones, then one or two more invented injury moves to IR, that paper cut that just isn't healing right. Example; I think either Doyle or Brown ends up on IR and someone on the D line. Unless Beane can make some trades instead.

Yup heard, Hughes was activated off the Clovid list!! Well that's what NFL radio reported. Think they may have had a couple of players mixed up on the Bills!

So you have 23 on offense and 27 on defense. Are you Leslie Frasure's dad? LOL I agree with 6 DE, but can't see 5 DT on top of that and only 5 CB's though see you do have 5 safeties I think instead of Hamlin the 5th safety is Thomson with Hamlin to the PS Think too many people are reading too much into that Beane would always keep his draft picks. With a roster as strong as it is, that may need to change this year. Won't be surprised if all 4 of their 6th and 7th rounders get cut, but all make it to the PS Considering how little the Bills use 3 LB, not sure they need a backup for Klein? Can either Matakevich or Smith also play that position, if so go with 5 there. I think somehow one of the two rookie tackles ends up on IR as they may want some more veteran backup help there. And/or add another body for the line. Likely there will be two DE lineman not making the final roster, could see both of them getting traded along with a RB like Williams and also some of the O lineman to be cut too could become trade bait. Don't think all of them will get traded, but maybe a couple from this bunch. There's usually always one surprise cut, I'll go with the D line there too between Hughes, Addison, or Butler.

I think Bates and Boettger stay but would add Hart to the list to O-line potential trades. I also think somehow think one of the rookie tackles will end up on IR, thus saving a spot for Hart. D line think Zimmer stays, trade may be either Johnson or Obada, whomever can yield more in return as not sure the difference between them is that great. Can't see any team willing to take on Hughes and especially Addisons contract. If Hughes doesn't get healthy soon he could be in trouble. On the other hand if he stays on the PUP list they get a free pass and could keep him their as insurance if someone were to get hurt. If Kumerow doesn't make the roster, the team likely to be first in line to sign him would be Green Bay, so can't see them trading for him. On the other hand the 30 other team may be interested to get their hands on him before the Packers do. The only way would be if Beane is ready to deal him elsewhere then Green Bay makes the trade to get him, but not sure if they'd be willing to kind of be black mailed into making the trade either.

I think an extension for Edmunds will likely wait till mid season as the Bills want to see more out of him before giving out big money. Assuming he doesn't get hurt again, if he plays up to the expected level, maybe by November he gets a new deal.

I'm planning to start an investigation into how all these Olympic athletes have been given illegal substances without their knowledge. I feel really really bad for all these athletes and plan to investigate to find out who the guilty party is that's given them these substances without them knowing it. I'm looking for others to help in this tragic situation. So far I've had offers from the group that OJ hired to look for the real killers as they're not real busy these days.

Tyler Kroft is an example of what exactly? A player who took a pay cut, got guaranteed money in exchange and they didn't cut him?? So what TE last year was on the training camp roster that was close or maybe even better talent wise that they cut instead? Don't think there was anyone. That's my point! Beane never it did it before because there was never a reason for him to even consider doing it. Prior to last year the cupboard was pretty bare so not really any vets in danger of being cut. I look at DT as an example there are legit 5 guys competing for at most 4 spots. Oliver and Star are locks, from everything being reported, the next best guy may be Zimmer. Phillips provides a unique trait in that he's the only legit backup for Star so does that give him an inside shot to make roster. That leaves Butler. Do they keep Butler solely because of the contract situation even if the other two help the roster more? Beane has never needed or been in this situation prior to think about doing that. This year with the overall roster depth, things are different and don't think we can go by what was done in the past. As a fan I'll be kind of disappointed if they keep Butler as sounds like they aren't keeping the best players and not trying to improve as best they can.

I read an article a couple weeks back rating teams weapons offensively and also downgraded the Bills at stated something to the fact: It talked how they let go John Brown their #1 WR going into last year for Sanders. He was their #1 only because they were pretty bad overall the year prior.

With their contracts and age, can't see a trade happening unless the Bills throw in a draft pick or something of value to get a team to take on these contracts. That just rarely happens in the NFL. Beane has never done it prior, but has there been a need? What players in the past three years took a pay cut and got guaranteed money but was also in the position where there was serious discussion of whether he should be cut. Prior to last year the cupboard was pretty bare so hard to believe there were many vets in danger of being cut to start with. If there were, I don't recall the names. It's not like these guys weren't given anything for their troubles, they both got guaranteed money which they still keep if cut and can sign somewhere else for more money. To me it seems hard for the Bills to improve in 2021 and not hurt themselves in 2022 and beyond without making some more aggressive type moves.

So I went to look up Kumerow's career stats to see how many years he's actually been in the league, went to NFL.com. According to their site he played 6 games in 2020 for New Orleans. No wonder he's under the radar and keeps getting released, last year all the scouts were watching NO tapes to see what he can do and found nothing!! In reality he's had one solid year in Green Bay where he played 14 games. He's still new, was an undrafted rookie, played for a D-III team in college, with that resume it's hard for him to get enough exposure to stick. Rodgers comments have probably done more for his career than anything and sounds like is finally getting a real shot with the Bills to show what he can do. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Either Diggs or Edmunds

Seem to notice this season teams are playing more pre-season games against teams in opposite conference than past years. They'd rarely ever play a team they were scheduled to play during regular season but in past Bills may have played a team like Cinnci, but not this year. All other conference games.

I had less issue with Flacco though as he was more of a prototypical QB at least. I hope you're right as that will saddle the Ravens big time if they do!

You really think that?? I was assuming all along the Allen camp was waiting on Jacksons contract to be finalized as Allen would then get more. I'm thinking Jackson in upper 30s? IMO Jackson is taking a chance on not agreeing as the longer he plays the less he may be worth. The only thing he has going is an MVP which is worth something, but is also somewhat old news now.

So what will Lamar Jackson now get?

Maybe not if they are someone as strong as Kumarow and Breida who's really the 3rd RB. For most teams the #3 RB is a contributor on a regular basis. The Bills led the league in 4 wide sets, so the #6 WR could see significant playing time if any of the 5 above are hurt or just need a blow. McKenzie's playing time as a WR may drop some too if he's the main return guy. We'll find out the answers in less than a month or so!

I agree with both your statements, but does both Breida and Kumarow get bonus points as they add a second function to the roster as a RB and WR and can take actual meaningful snaps at both positions whereas Jones and Matakevich pretty much only add ST value though even Matakevich did play some snaps. While Jones is the better ST'er he may be passed in overall roster value by others. To me the question is how does the roster improve much from last year when keeping players like Jones and a 6th round pick( I believe it was) in Stevenson. I think their MO may need to change in order to improve quickly.

OK, here's my take on your take. Offense I'm not so sure about Hollister as he's missed a fair amount of time already. Could see the Bills signing a more experienced TE that's cut from some other teams roster in September to replace him and will be Knox Sweeney, & TBD (plus there's always Ertz) I think Kumerow & Hodgins make it as the 6th and 7th WR and at the expense of T Jones. Gilliam as a FB and ST player. Think Bates is a lock. Backup tackle will be interesting as they don't want to lose either rookie tackle they drafted, but not so sure they are comfortable with them two as the back ups. Won't be surprised to see one of the rookies end up on IR and they then keep Hart. By the numbers QB 2 RB 3 TE 3 WR 7 OL 9 FB 1 Defense Think it's 6 DE with Obada the last one in and D Johnson is out. Sounds like Obada offers almost as much on ST Agree with 4 DT but everything I read sounds like Zimmer is looking real good to make it Phillips may be the weakest, but do they want to cut him and gamble on no true backup for Star? On the other hand Star comes out on passing plays so may not need a true backup for depth, just more for injury concern if Star were to get hurt. But maybe they answer is if that happens, they find someone to sign. Or keep Phillips and Zimmer and eat the cash on Butler. They've also commented how on passing downs a couple of DE's can move inside With keeping 10 DL think it's only 5 LB, Edmunds, Milano, Klein and likely Matakevich make the top 4. Right now sounds like Smith is next best. Think it's 6 CBs, White Wallace, T Johnson, and Jackson are close to locks with Neal close behind. Question is does Wildgoose get the last spot or one of the other camp bodies beat him. At safety Hyde, Proyer, and J Johnson are in the only questions is does Hamlin get the 4th spot though sounds like someone is outplaying him. Can't recall if it's Thomas or another guy think his name is Thompson?? By the numbers DT 4 DE 6 LB 5 CB 6 S 4 PK, LS, PU Mckenzie is the return guy with Hyde backup for punt returns. Not sure who the backup KO return player is? That still leaves experienced ST standouts and main contributors in: Gilliam, Kumerow, Brieda, Matakevich, Zimmer, J Johnson, and Obada.

Agree about cap casualties who get cut, but the other poster was talking about a trade. Can't see many players out there good enough to improve the Bills roster overall, but another team giving up on that same player. Other than someone like Ertz. In other cases teams will usually just wait it out till he's cut.

While I completely agree with the concept, the Bills roster is pretty strong all around, can't imagine any team giving up on a player and that player still being good enough to improve the Bills roster other than maybe Ertz. Maybe a backup OT as read Hart is struggling but even then would likely mean cutting either one of the rookies they drafted or Bates or Bottinger to make room for him??

I read that article too in The Athletic and came away thinking good chance Kumo makes the team as an extra #6 or 7 WR and takes Jones spot on roster. Similarly I think Obada take Johnson's spot as he to can play ST. Probably a better chance to if they cut Jones, a month later Kumo got hurt and they want to sign Jones, he'd still be available whereas the other way around, likely Kumo is gone. In prior years the Bills could afford to keep these ST aces as the choice may come down to keeping another DB or T Jones. Well that extra DB wasn't that strong so easier to justify keeping Jones or other St players. This year the team would be giving up some serious talent to keep all these mainly ST only players. Would be hard to keep them and improve the roster much.

And you know this how?? Based on Williams having a good 2nd half against the Fish when the entire team was basically heading for the bus by that point. I would think the fact that 32 teams passed on Williams 7 times as opposed to Singletary and Moss both getting drafted, apparently none of the 32 GM's agrees with you.

I will say of the three highlighted, think Kumerow would have the lowest chance of sneaking him onto the PS squad so that could factor into keeping him active. Think Stevenson will be on the PS so likely will comedown to him or Hodgins unless they do keep 7. I suppose with very little upgrade at TE, can see them going the route of we're going to go 4 wide or even 5 wide more than 2 TE's so they keep 7. But do agree something has to give someplace with the numbers. If the final spot came down to Kumerow or the Obada, I'd vote for Obada as pass rush is a bigger need to improve on.!

Yeah suppose I could try that, nothing to lose other than dealing with them for an hour. Anyone know if there's a number to call for streaming ST only?