Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Sure all true, but I'd argue that teams who drafted QB's in 2015 thru 2017 are in worse shape in that the second QB contracts have already kicked in and got hit with the cap reduction (not fully for 2017 draftees) LA with Goff, Eagles with Wentz. Coincidentally or not, many of those teams haven't done that well so not in the Super Bowl window to start with, instead rebuilding.

So you're giving T Vallego whom I barely remember a 3 and T White a 4. No idea what the highest score you gave was, but overall the numbers you gave doesn't seem to reflect their contributions and level of their play.

Interesting in that Lombardo and Nystrom graded on true curves in that roughly equal amounts of "A's" and "F's" where as many others were unbalanced towards the top.

Guess I needed to make my initial post better with sarcasm designation!! Took a big chance though after drafting Hamlin that Wildgoose would have been selected by another team before the Billsd got the chance to pick again!

Big difference, Lee Smith only had a salary coming of about $2 mil from what I recall, Hughes is due $9.5 mil with $3.1 dead and Addison is due $8.2 mil with $4.8 dead. So doubt you're trading them, likely the only ones you cna trade are the ones on initial contracts. Based on talent, agree, but Addison has a fully guaranteed contract so can't see him getting cut. Efe and Phillips are the two guys who might get something back in return, maybe a 5th rounder as if the Bills announce they are being shopped, every other team also knows they may be cut. Efe is also the guy who could be the best of all of them too long term. Agree but good chance the guys you're getting rid of like a Johnson, Phillips, Zimmer, or Efe may be better than the guys replacing them in their rookie year.

Other than pride, you wonder at what point in draft is it better to not get drafted and be able to choose the team where you might fit the best. Like the Bills drafting a guard in round 7, would he have been better being un-drafted and choose a team with not much depth at guard. I'm guessing mid 6th round and lower, better chance of making team as UDFA.

So what's your solution for the log jam on the D line?? Very likely Hughes, Star, an Addison have no trade value due to big contracts and Addison and Star have no cap savings if cut. Not sure about Hughes, likely not a huge savings. So the only ones left are players still on their 1st contracts and not Oliver who starts are Phillips, Zimmer, Johnson, and Epinesa or the FA they just signed. Agree it would be rather unusual to trade a 2nd round pick after one season but something needs to give. Teams also will know the Bills have to cut some of these guys so will try and wait them out and not agree to trade for them.

Really?? Wow, didn't know that!! LOL

Agree, I'd go the option route too.

Can't see Addison getting traded with his contract. I think the more likely option would be to trade someone like a Phillips, Zimmer, Johnson, Bates, etc than someone drafted this year. You look at when the team traded Teller, he had one year of playing time and film to go off of. Can't imagine a team trading for a guy we just selected and saw him play all of half of 2 pre-season games. Considering the depth at DE, would they consider trading Epinesa??

The only risk then is does Edmunds have hurt feeling by not getting 5th year option so reluctant to sigh with Bills forcing them to use franchise tag.

Took a big chance though after drafting Hamlin that Wildgoose would have been selected by another team before the Billsd got the chance to pick again!

Either that or stash some on PS. 5th round picks are borderline risks of being grabbed by another team when initially cut. 6th and 7ths worth taking the risk. May also see a number of these rookies develop injuries late August requiring them to be on season ending IR.

Highly doubt that happens this year considering everything ford has gone through. He may be the most jerked around player ever on the Bills roster. As a rookie he started practicing at tackle, until Mongo got hurt, then moved him to guard. Once Mongo came back, moved him back to tackle. Year two no mention (at least publicly) as to where Ford would play prior to training camp which BTW was abbreviated. Then in the middle of abbreviated camp and with no pre-season, moved him to guard, first was it the left side, then switched to right side once Spain was benched, then got hurt twice was it and missed half the year. Ford could become a bust and is gone after the 2021 season, but barring a huge setback, can't see it happening this coming year. Anderson is a 7th round pick so can easily stash him on PS this year with low risk of losing him. Can't see them giving up on 2nd round pick after only two jerked around seasons.

Think it's pretty clear that many of the picks by the Bills were made looking down the road. In 2023 Williams will be the last year of his contract so replace him with one of the rookie tackles. Same with selecting two DE's, looking beyond this year. More than the past couple of years, seems a handful of the picks are either boom based on potential or could be busts, will see. My only concern is roster slots for this year. Can't see either Addison or Hughes being traded as who'd want their high salaries? Addison's salary is fully guaranteed to can't see him being cut either. So how do you handle all the players on the line. To me the only ones who they'd have a shot at being traded are either Johnson, Phillips, or Zimmer, maybe the one FA they just signed? Would they trade Epinesa?? To get traded you either need to be on a cheap normally initial contract, or be and extremely good player which don't think any of the current D-Line players qualify. To make room I suspect one of the DE and one of the OT's they drafted will suddenly become injured around the end of August and be on the IR list all year. Likely a paper cut or hang nail, something serious along those lines. Sixth round and lower picks likely take a shot on releasing and placing on PS. The one saving grace may be that many other teams will also be in same situation due to opt outs and teams who didn't play.

A shame Beane isn't as smart as you!

It's easy for Jones to look great when he's surrounded by the most talent in college. Wilson I question based on college completion he faced. Will see with both of them. Odds are in their favor of being busts, at least one of them.

I think all three still have big questions at QB. Newton didn't show much last year, Tua's arm is questionable, add in two rookies who have questions about them. Jets have a new coach, who was the hot name, but how many hot names really work out?

I can't imagine any team trading for him or Addison based on their contract regardless of leave of pick. Just being able to trade either, I believe reduces the cap hit to the Bills compared to cutting him. The only one I see with any trade value is Phillips due to cheap contract. Would they trade Epinesa?? Probably he too would have value.

Personally I was more thinking interior lineman in the 2nd so would still be fine with that or CB in the 3rd now.

Could mean one of these two will have a hang nail in training camp and placed on IR?? There was another thread discussing which D lineman will be cut as we had one extra and was easy to cut or trade one of them without losing very much. Now with two, will be tougher. Don't know much about the contracts of Hughes or Addison, know they are both FA after this season, but how much would dead money if either is cut before this year.

Reduces the likelihood of holding

Think it depends on the position. IMO RB and CB are two positions that a rookie can come in and contribute right away and be pretty effective at it. So if you were going to draft one of those positions, I'd say no, take the rookie. Other positions like Edge, TE have longer learning curve so may be worth it there.

The fact this came out the day of the draft tells me it's more a message to the Packers that tonight and Friday they better be drafting offensive play makers or else! Then he may seriously want out if they don't.

Is interesting in that the 2018 draft featured more "can't miss" QB's than most years prior to the draft. Where are we now, Allan, Mayfield, and Jackson who wasn't as much in the discussions as top picks look good to excellent. On the other end Rosen, bust, Darnold questionable at best, this is make or break year for him. Seems like I'm forgetting one more?? Rudolph in 3rd round who was projected higher prior to draft hasn't looked good either. So likely this years QB picks which may even be selected overall higher than 2018, some will become busts, the question is which ones??