Brand J

Reminiscent of Hurts fumbling for 6 against the Chiefs when Philly was dominating. These teams just give in to the mystique and self implode. Brady’s Patriots wouldn’t have much problem beating these Chiefs IMO. They didn’t make these crucial mistakes.

Who gets hurt more, Deebo Samuel, or Mike Williams with the Chargers?

Cam Taylor-Britt, DaRon Bland, and that tall, speedy SEA Pro Bowl CB all went later (as did Benford). Still had plenty of opportunities to get a very good one.

Can’t give Mahomes extra possessions.

I am too. They’ve been nothing like the Chiefs that bumbled their way through the regular season. Knocking off both the Bills and Rabies at home? With what had been a mistake-laden cast? Definitely impressive.

I think McD has grown a bit, he’s much more aggressive than he used to be. The early McD would never go for it from his own side of the field. This version has a better feel for the game. With that said, the fake punt was bad, especially with a non-RB rushing the ball. Funny enough, the execution of the play was worse than the design, considering it was an advantageous look to run against. Credit Chenal (or was it Tranquill?) for blowing up two blockers. The main problem I see with McD is that he’s slow to learn, he’s never ahead of situational moments unless they’ve happened before and that’s hurting the team.

It’s no mystery, the media wanted someone to back for MVP for awhile, they kept throwing the names around. That 49ers/Ravens game was pivotal because it featured at the time three of the hottest MVP names - Jackson, Purdy, CMC. If the 49ers had went into Baltimore and handled them with relative ease, then proceeded to finish the rest of the regular season on a tear (as the Ravens did), it’s not hard to see how the winner would’ve been gold and red. I don’t think Lamar would’ve got a first place vote, especially if he had put on a Purdy-like performance against the 9ers throwing 5 INTs. Also don’t think it would’ve been 49-1, the Purdy and CMC votes would’ve been more dispersed, maybe 33-17 in favor of Purdy.

Didn’t have anything to do with the 49ers wilting, especially against those same Ravens, did it? Purdy’s 5 INTs in that game didn’t help his case. Let me ask you this, if the 49ers had beaten down Baltimore and won out the rest of the season, who wins the MVP? I can GUARANTEE you it’d be one of two players from the 49ers and McCaffrey would’ve had an uphill climb to beat out his QB (provided Purdy was solid the rest of the way).

I think once the turnover narrative on Allen got out, it’s always what they speak about. “Josh is a great QB, but…” And that second statement is always about his league leading turnovers. Lamar doesn’t turn the ball over at the same rate, so he doesn’t have the same qualifier/naysayers. I also think the media has rode the Allen Bills far heavier than Lamar’s Ravens (and maybe part of that is because he’s been injured) and all the Bills have done in return is come up short time after time. But this wasn’t what you spoke about earlier, regarding skin color. Put Purdy on the Ravens and give him a similar season to Lamar where they were smacking contenders late in the year (and blowing out 9 teams during the regular season). He wins the MVP. It’s not the color of the player, it’s the circumstances. EDIT: and for the same characters who continue to disagree, you’re really showing yourself and the backwoods thinking you bring to this board. Keep exposing yourselves.

Yes, I know Allen’s wonderlic score. My point was in reference to the “dumb” turnovers he makes year after year and seemingly doesn’t learn from. If he was Black making those same mistakes there’d be even more attacks on his intelligence. Josh himself said he felt this year was a down year for him, only Bills fans think he’s worthy of MVP. Need I remind you of the offense’s struggles and firing of an offensive coordinator? You know who Ravens fans thought deserved the MVP? Lamar. You know who KC fans thought deserved MVP? Mahomes. Bills fans? Allen. And around and around we go with this debate, to the point some of you cling onto race being a deciding factor. It’s weird. That’s groupthink, voters scared to go against the wave of support for one player. If the playoffs were game, they might have felt differently about their vote after Lamar got undressed at home by Mahomes.

If Allen was Black and had the same turnover filled seasons, you know, leading the league every year since 2018, there’d be far more attacks on his intelligence and questions about his wonderlic score. In fact, fans across the league already think that “white Josh” is a meat head. I was browsing the Steelers boards when we played them and one commented that “you might have to draw up plays with a crayon for him, but man is he fun to watch.” There’s no deeper conspiracy going on here, Lamar’s MVP is easy to understand even if it’s a bit undeserved. But continue to cling onto race being the deciding factor if it helps you sleep at night.

I wish Josh had a defense that was as clutch as KC’s. Even in the years they were statistically middle of the pack KC’s defense always seemed to make plays at the right time, credit to Spagnuolo. The same can be said for Cincy’s defense and their architect Anarumo. What can we say about Buffalo’s…? Prior to this year, Allen was thought to be the one QB of the three who had enjoyed a dominant defense for the majority of his career, since that’s how it read on paper. Any Bills fan could tell you that Josh has never had a dominate defense and to that point, watching how easy it was for KC to move the ball and score against Baltimore before their offense turtled up and took their foot off the gas, I’m not sure a dominant defense is a thing in the NFL anymore. It just needs to make clutch stops at certain, opportune times. If Josh had that, I’m sure he’d have at least one SB ring by this point.

No, it’s not an award for most consistent, nor is it an award for the QB who captains the #1 team, even though both appear that way on the surface. I think the media was burning to get behind someone, anyone for the MVP. There were about 6-7 names being thrown around all throughout the year and slowly many of them started to play themselves off the list. Because the Ravens were the only team not to go through a real period of struggle, Lamar got it almost by default. He didn’t play himself out of it like the others.

Three things Brady did when he took over - he took the ball out of Josh’s hands and ran it more, he simplified the offense, he allowed Josh to have designed QB runs. Josh’s Bills were 6-1 against playoff teams, but 5-5 against teams that missed the postseason. Despite his total number of TDs, for much of the year Josh struggled with inconsistency; we wondered why the offense looked broken, why everything felt so difficult. He also couldn’t escape the turnover narrative he brought unto himself. I didn’t feel that Josh had an MVP type of season. Others shouldn’t feel that he did either. Did Lamar deserve the award? I don’t think so, but it’s hard for voters to go against a QB who makes exciting plays for a #1 seed that beats down other top contenders. 6-2 against playoff teams including five blowouts, 7-1 against non-playoff teams. He and the Ravens were the model of consistency all year. That’s why he won the award, all the other chatter about his skin color is nonsense.

To believe that Lamar’s skin color contributed to why he won the award, is it your assertion that if Josh Allen had the same season as Lamar (lower TDs/lower turnovers/more dominant wins) that he wouldn’t have won it because he’s white? That Swagu, Ryan Clark, and the other “loud group of ppl in the media (implied hint: Black folks)” wouldn’t have talked him up because he’s not a Black guy? And therefore wouldn’t have won the award? Is that it?

It’s totally fine in terms of fandom, I understand it’s just backing our guy to the fullest, but it can get really annoying when trying to have logical discussions. Most of my downvotes and red X’s come when I don’t toe the company line, that “Josh Allen is the best QB in the NFL.”

I’m not. Allen walks on water around here, he can do no wrong. If he doesn’t win the MVP it’s because the voters are dumb, certainly has nothing to do with how he struggled in games. Would he have won the award if the Bills defense closed out more games in which he struggled? Now that’s a more interesting topic for discussion, because with wins against the Eagles, Broncos, and Patriots, you’d be looking at a 15-2 team (given that all other close wins also held up). If the turnovers remained the same I think Lamar still would've got it because his team looked better against better competition.

So now we’re accounting for how and why a team blows out another? Seriously? I told you exactly why Lamar won the award and it had nothing to do with the color of his skin. Go back and reread my initial post. If you don’t want to accept that’s the reason, then you’ll just have to accept that 49/50 people voted for him. The Bills were hardly that “it” team all year. If they were that dominate and not losing to the worst teams in the league on days where Allen struggled, Josh would be going home with an MVP award tonight. It’s that simple really.

I pointed out how the Lamar led Ravens demolished playoff contenders. You can take that win against the Browns away if it makes you happy. Still doesn’t change much. Meanwhile the Bills were fortunate to beat a few of their contenders: the second game against the fish, the KC game, and the Buccaneers games all could’ve ended differently with one bounce or one call. But that doesn’t fit your “average margin of victory against playoff teams was 13 points” narrative, so I understand where you’re coming from.

Oh okay, I read that as “more than a TD,” like, you know, the five the Ravens had. Not a missed Hail Mary by the Bucs, or a punt return against the Dolphins to eek out wins.

So would the mistakes.

I’m sorry, what?

Oh yeah, Lamar’s year was pretty good, I even said he played phenomenal at times, but there were other QBs with better stats and probably other players who were more valuable, so that’s what I was getting at when I said he didn’t have to put up “great” numbers. If his defense wasn’t as strong and they had to rely on him to do more, they likely lose more games and the more he loses, the further that MVP trophy gets away from him.

Well let’s play the same game with the Bills, shall we. Look at this… Buffalo 48 Dolphins 20 Buffalo 31 Cowboys 10 Welp, that’s it. No other big wins against playoff contenders. No other double digit smack downs. Your “average margin of victory was 13 points” was inflated by these two games. The Ravens had more double digit wins and more dominate performances against playoff teams. Why is this so hard to understand? Take off the homer glasses, the Bills were fortunate to eek out a few of those wins against playoff contenders.

Or as Lamar proved by his win tonight, the stats don’t even have to be “great,” just don’t be perceived to have cost your team multiple games.