FilthyBeast

4/10 from Beane. I'll say this, if he can navigate this team out of the salary cap nightmare they are in next year and still keep this team in the SB conversation in 2023 than maybe he really is a genius. Because that's what's going to need to happen to have any chance of signing quality FA's and not just relying on the draft for help. This is essentially what KC did this year when they were supposed to be 'in transition' and a WC team at best needing to let guys like Hill and Matheiu go, but Veach's masterful drafting has kept them ahead of the curve especially with 2nd year studs like Bolton and Humprhey blossoming into all pro type players. This is what I keep hoping to see from Beane's picks only to be underwhelmed and disappointed.

Again Beane didn't draft White, Dawkins or Edmunds. If you want to credit McD for that great but that's always been a very misleading claim validated by Doug Whaley who did draft them and did all the legwork.

I've done it over and over and just get flamed for it. Would also like to see this deep dive data again since I'm not stubborn and close minded. But like I said take away JA17 and the 2017 haul in White/Dawkins/Milano (because he wasn't here and it wasn't his draft), where are the superstars and good to great players he's drafted? (again not FA players). I'm willing to give him Ed Oliver even though he's a late bloomer. Wyatt Teller counts even though he pretty much admitted he didn't think he was that type of player and why he was traded. But when you look at the rest of this roster and the core players they are mostly FA signings and trades (Miller/Poyer/Hyde/Morse/etc). Most posters on this board could make those type of moves if given the money and resources of an NFL front office. Again boils down to drafting and fact say Beane hasn't been very good at that outside of a few key guys like JA17. Maybe he gets better some day but the body of work in 5 full drafts from 2018-2022 tell me otherwise.

I'm grateful for what this regime has done but anything short of a SB win at this point and it's time to move on. Should they accomplish that in the next few years (because they won't be here beyond that if they don't contrary to belief otherwise) I'll slurp me some of the good stuff like some other posters here choose to. At the end of the day though we need focus on the bigger picture beyond a wasted 7th round WR draft pick. And getting back on topic it's puzzling he's now gone unless it's to make room for another certain player at that position.

You have to hit on draft picks consistently or you'll find yourself in a bad salary cap situation like this team coincidentally is next year because of all the big money FA contracts we've handed out to FA's to compensate for said bad drafts. This is just the reality of the situation and why a team like KC is position so well for the near and long term because Veach continues to crush each draft and hit on both high and low draft picks. No Beane is not terrible, but he's really just average even with striking gold on JA17 and the real reason this team is where they are now.

Excellent post and point, for the Bengals organization this was not their superbowl and just another game on a 17 game schedule against a team they know they can beat. No stupid dancing in practice and shenanigans on social media afterwords. Bengals really starting to concern me and quietly positioning themselves for the top seed in the AFC and another SB run. They've also had a ton of injuries and still not playing to their full potential despite going 8-2 in their last 10 after an 0-2 hole. Reminds me a lot of the 1993 Cowboys in some ways.

Why do I get the feeling this diva is going to make a social media post or video announcing his decision to take his talents to "x" team whoever that is to create a media frenzy and attention. Or he rolls into Buffalo with Bills gear greeting Von Miller, only to turn heel, body slam him through a table and reveal a Cowboys shirt underneath after ripping the Bills shirt off with Jerry Jones lurking in the background like an old school WWE manager.

McD is better than 2/3 of the coaches in this league, but question still remains if's a true war time coach that can take this team to a SB, let alone win one. And as of now that answer is no because of his inability to win a road playoff game. If for some reason that changes this year so be it but history is not on his side.

As I said, he's whiffed on draft picks at the position (like oline) vs FA signings. At some point though you do have to draft quality players at various positions and not just rely on FA help or you aren't very good at your job. If Davis pans out it's a different story but still TBD whether or not he's more than just a #3 type of WR that can make big plays occassionally.

If you are talking about competing with the likes of Diggs and Davis, then of course not. But if this guy isn't good enough to beat out a guy like McKenzie for playing time or a roster spot then yes it was a waste. Also trying to figure out what happened to shakir after a promising start. Either way WR is one of the weakest unit's overall on this team and if something happens to Diggs or Davis it would be pretty ugly.

I hope a certain owner also has impulsive rage towards his GM and HC should a certain team lose to KC in the playoffs again for the 3rd straight year.

Gross. WR is another position that Beane has whiffed big with draft picks vs. FA signings. Maybe they truly are all in on OBJ landing in OBD.

Not even that far back, even in 2019 we barely beat them and it took JA17 late game heroics when they were not a good team. Just hoping it doesn't turn about to be another Mahomes/Chiefs situation in which it's another one sided rivalry for AFC supremacy.

Interesting timing for a team that is command of their division despite a couple of bad losses and their own midseason slump. This may be one of those 'more to the story' situations, but it also goes to show there are consequences to not seizing an open championship window and just being a playoff team/division winner every year simply isn't enough anymore for owners serious about winning.

In a perfect world the Bills get the #1 seed, and KC/CIN are slotted in the #2/#3 spot with the Bengals knocking the chiefs out once again in the divisional so we never have to face them. Either way I'm very curious to see how the Bills match up with this rising Bengals team because they have obviously not faced Joe Burrow yet and historically the Bengals have seemed to fare pretty well against the Bills through the years going back to the 90's.

I would doubt it, not even an upgrade over Jones at this point.

He played large. And think that was the game he also dropped what should have been an easy INT.

The point is seeding is not locked in and is likely going to change quite a bit between now and the end of the week 18, not just in terms of some of the division races, but WC seeding and the classic 'In the hunt' teams making a move late. And still think the margin of error is razor thin for the Bills compared to the Chiefs that basically just need to show up the rest of the way given their pathetic schedule. Bills need to basically win out and still think that's highly unlikely even if they have refocused and hungry again. Bengals game is going to be MASSIVE.

Geno is a balling, but I wouldn't be surprised to still see the Seahawks draft a QB high even if he leads them to a division title/playoffs. Also don't forget about the Lions, they are a team on the rise and they will also be getting a top 5 draft pick from the Rams in the Stafford trade. They also got Goff in that deal who everyone wanted to write off but has been playing great football again this year so they may be set at QB.

I get where they are coming from because the Bills were screwed for many years by the NFL schedule makers but bottom line you need to man up and be ready even on short weeks and not like they are turning around from SNF to play a TNF game. Also why they are going to really have to focus against a scrappy Chargers team to avoid the upset or this game many not even mean much coming off a 2 game losing streak.

I'm definitely not a fan of the nickel base defense crap. Much more of a traditional 4-3 guy but to be honest probably like the 3-4 a bit more especially with an aggressive coordinator that knows how to properly run it like Belichik in NE. But I think this defense is going to have to continue to adapt either way especially since we have Klein back which is as good as you can get in midseason dumpster diving in terms of a guy who can still play and knows the system. He's a gritty throwback player and I've always liked his style of play. And he's inching closer to making some big plays for this unit again including the INT he dropped a few weeks ago. Knew

Regardless of your stance on Edmunds, he's going to get @ $20 million per year because that's how the FA game works. So the real question is if you are Beane and the front office are you willing to pay that? And the answer is absolutely not and they know they can't anyway.

These lines still make no sense but I do believe that if the same hungry team that showed up in NE comes to play they are going to dominate the Jets and their backup QB. In some ways I was almost hoping the Jets would win against the Vikings to come in way overconfident but now I think they'll fade early once White starts turning the ball over again which already started yesterday.

I thought the Ravens were a lock to win that division but I'm thinking the Bengals are about to continue their current ascent regardless of LJ's health and availability. Still think the Ravens will be a lock for one of the WC spots though because I've had both those teams in the playoffs this year from the beginning.

Tua really struggled yesterday against heavy pressure (which most great QB's do anyway) so no surprised the fish are trying to shore things up pretty quick.