FilthyBeast

Forget being cool, given the amount of money he's getting paid he really should be the clear cut #2 option on this team. No excuse for him not to be used more down the stretch, especially out of 11 personnel groupings.

You very well might be right, but still think Jones has shown more than enough to be the guy heading into year 3 and with more QB's showing that 'Magic Josh Allen 3rd year jump' in Tua and Hurts this year, whoever the coach is in NE next year is likely going to expect that with Jones especially if they upgrade the talent around him which is going to be a big part of that with the Patriots offense as well.

Tua's a good kid and showed he's still among the league's elite QB's despite losing a massive game in bad weather conditions. I want no part of him and the Dolphins again in the playoffs this year and you get the feeling that may end up helping this team in a roundabout way going into a place like KC or CIN and winning.

This. As bad as this oline has played this year it can and will get even worse by putting this guy out there given the circumstances.

I get where you are coming from with the overreactions but most of what you said has a certain degree of truth to it and why there should still be concern heading into the playoffs and not a false sense of confidence about this team right now. For me the biggest issue is still the offensive line play and inconsistency with the defense and those are 2 fatal flaws that can end a playoff run pretty quickly. The good news is that most of the other teams in the AFC field have their similar issues to deal with including the Chiefs and Bengals, but those teams also keep winning so at some point something has to give so to speak when these heavyweight inevitably match up in the playoffs at some point.

While it's great to see the Patriots struggle and lose a game in such an absurd manner, I'm still not writing off Mac Jones after having one of the best rookie seasons ever and showing he can be a big time player in this league. But you do get the sense that we are nearing the end of the Belichik era and any hope Jones does have of taking the next step is contingent on bringing in a fresh perspective to the Patriots organization (i.e. a real NFL OC) that understands how to build an offense that can compete with the leagues best QBs, including the Bills and JA17.

He had a few bad plays against Hill which is going to happen to all good DB's but still think he's not anywhere close to form and probably won't be until next year. Either way having him out there instead of a bunch of rookies and subpar players still matters if this team has any chance of beating the Chiefs or Bengals in the playoffs.

Every team gets questionable calls both in their favor and against them, but if anything the Bills won this game because Josh Allen is a true creature that once again appears to be ready to carry this team on his backs for another playoff run. He looked the freaking abominable snowman out there on those final few drives and was not going to be stopped no matter what. Credit to the Dolphins though, they might not be a SB contender this year after all but that's a damn good team that probably should have won if not for JA17 taking matters into his own hands.

He's turned his career around for sure. A lot of people laughed at the contract the Jaguars gave him but he's been a big time, go to weapon for Laurence this year and a big reason the Jags may very win the AFCS and make the playoffs when that looked like a pipe dream just a few weeks ago. Whaley's last draft in Buffalo was certainly one of the best in franchise history.

Agree but deep down still feel that the Bills will be looking back at the Vikings/Jets games and know that's what cost them the #1 seed in the end. Because even with just 2 losses right now we'd still have a cushion for the Bengals game and it wouldn't matter what happens in that one.

On one hand you can look at the Chiefs barely beating the likes of the Texans and Broncos in recent weeks and assume they are frauds or a one and done team come playoff time. But as I've pointed out before historically they have always seemed to play up and down to their level of competition and turn the proverbial switch on so to speak in the playoffs and I get the sense that's whats going to happen again. Pats did this a lot of years too with Brady and still finished seasons on 8 game type win streaks en route to championships and still feel this season ends with KC and Mahomes raising the Lombardi trophy.

It's a safe bet Wilson is a legit NFL WR, possibly even a star. What I meant was more in term of his development along with the rest of the Jets skill players who weren't being properly evaluated this year because of poor QB play. Unfortunately this was a problem the Bills had to deal with the greater part of 17 years prior to JA17, either having decent talent on the roster everywhere but QB. Or not being able to evaluate players because QB play was so bad. Getting back to the jets though, it's why I still think Mike White is a red herring either way. Even if he comes back next week and continues to put up numbers and play fairly well, they are still likely going to swing for the fences in FA or trade for a veteran (i.e. Aaron Rogers if available) because they likely believe they have enough talent on the roster to compete for the division and beyond next year. They were certainly in the conversation up until the last few weeks.

Forgot about that game but still don't agree about him being any good because so far his body of work reads exactly like Fitzpatrick. (i.e. puts up stat padding type of numbers but doesn't win most games and/or make plays when it matters). I'm sure the Jets will plan on starting him next year with a full offseason of work, regardless of whether Wilson sucks and/or they draft another QB but confident his career in this league as a starter will be short lived. I'd definitely take him as a backup though.

It was pretty obvious that after getting swept by the patriots and losing on a kick return in the final second Saleh benching Wilson was more of a a classic knee jerk reaction knowing the remaining schedule was absolutely brutal and wanted to keep team competitive and properly evaluate some of the young players on offense like Garrett Wilson. In fact if the Jets lose this week against the Lions which is expected, there's a good chance they don't win another game the rest of the way with another red hot Jags team on deck on TNF (short week) and then finishing up on the road against the Seahawks and Dolphins. Either way I've said all along they are frauds and not a playoff team this year. They overachieved early with culminating in their SB win against the Bills with Wilson starting that game anyway.

He hasn't had a reception since the 2020 season when he last played here. There's a reason he was available on the street right now and why multiple teams have cut him the last few years. So in this case being 'fairly productive recently' doesn't jive and still think he's going to be released any day now and won't even be called up again.

Because if another WR we chose to dump in the favor of keeping a worthless bum like McKenzie on the roster at all costs produces elsewhere it puts Beane and this coaching staff under a bigger microscope.

Still think this whole Mike White thing is silly. Yes he's shown some grit and toughness but at the end of the day it's about winning games in this league and he's something like 1-6 as a starter, with that only win coming against a terrible Bears team with a depleted roster a few weeks back. His ceiling in this league is likely a poor mans Ryan Fitzpatrick which isn't saying much and it shows the desperation of the Jets organization they put him back in the game against the Bills and were trying to force him in the lineup this week. Also don't matter who starts this week anyway because Lions have the look of a grimy team that is going to win out and make a serious run in the playoffs which also makes the Bills win against them on Thanksgiving much better in hindsight considering they just squeak by and pulled it out in the final minutes.

Saw the Browns signed him to their PS. Will be hilarious if he ends up producing there with the rapist throwing the football his way.

Being 10-3 right now vs. 7-6 last year is only going to matter if this team finished the job so to speak and secures the #1 seed. Last year this team was better offensively, albeit extremely inconsistent until they found themselves late in the season and up put everything together heading into the playoffs. This year this team is not nearly as good offensively but has found a way to grind out wins in close games which may or may not serve them better in the playoffs where every game is likely going to be close.

Can't argue with this one. Beane has whiffed on a lot of other crucial FA signings in recent years but I'll go as far to say that Jones was as big a FA addition as Von Miller, if not bigger in the grand scheme of things in terms of what he's offered this unit in terms of run defense and opening things up for the LB's. A true anti- star loutelie in every sense of the word.

He's a top 15 draft pick and had one of the better rookie seasons by a QB in recent years. Yes he don't have the mobility like Allen/Mahomes/etc that teams covet but he can definitely be a Brady/Brees/etc type of QB that can shred defenses from the pocket even with average oline play/protection. As great as Belichik is though it's still hard to fathom he would make such a horrendous decision to not replace McDaniels with a real NFL OC in a critical year two and give a defensive guy that job just because of comfort with him in 'the patriots system'. At the end of the day though I really don't know what the future holds for Jones especially if Belichik walks away after this season and they enter a true rebuilding mode.

Like I said, if you look a the 2020 and 2022 Chiefs they are near identical in terms of how they are winning games for the most part (i.e. playing up or down to level of competition). Big difference is no more Tyreek Hill, but Mahomes is still putting up crazy numbers throwing to a bunch of average WR's and Kelce. And even when teams have effectively limited Kelce it's some other random guy stepping up every week for them like we saw over and over again with Brady and the Pats every year. In a perfect world maybe this is finally the year the Chiefs are one and done in the playoffs regardless of where the finish but deep down I dread facing this team again in the playoffs especially without the key guy we signed to finally get over that hump which will just be another excuse probably should we lose to them for the 3rd straight year in postseason play.

I don't disagree with the comments about Mahomes in the SB, but the fact remains he did win one and performed big when it matter later in the game which has been his MO in his career. The only truly terrible game he ever played was the 2nd SB against Brady and the Bucs but that's what made Veach go out and completely remake the entire oline so that never happens again. What I see with the Chiefs unfortunately is that 'inevitability' factor that we saw with Brady and the Pats so many years in terms of other teams pooping on themselves and crumbling and Mahomes always pulling games out they should lose. Brady was also not necessarily stellar early in his career from 2001 - 2004 despite winning 3 SB's. Mahomes has been far better early with the expectation he's not even close to his ceiling yet. I hope you are right about Allen in the long run because the future is certainly not written but I've felt for sometime that these next few years are pivotal in terms of the chiefs and mahomes either ascending to be the next Brady/Pats, or more of a Rogers/Packers type of situation. Allen and Bills can be the ones that go a long way in determining this fate.

Honest question, do you yourself offer anything relevant to this forum other than crying to mods and personally attacking other posters? I responded to another poster that thinks the chiefs aren't good despite going through the motions like they do every year despite winning and taking care of business before they turn it up a notch in the playoffs. Maybe eventually that catches up to them but the historical evidence says otherwise.

Going to be a lot of musical chairs at the bottom of the roster the last few weeks especially if Beasely has anything left he's obviously going to move from the PS to active roster pretty quick.