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That’s kind of my point. Don’t evaluate simply on production.

People shouldn’t confuse college production or lack there of with NFL talent. The NFL is looking for specific attributes like height, speed, blocking, hands, etc. Production is down the list. Take UGA WRs/TEs for example. The last UGA receiver with 1000 yards in a season was Terrence Edwards in 2002. His NFL career lasted 6 games w 1 catch for 10 yards. Since then GA has had guys like AJ Green, Pickens, Bowers, and McConkey. None had 1000 yards in a season college, all have eclipsed that number in the NFL. Ladd and Brock did it as rookies this past season. Also look at Cook vs Davis. Davis was much more productive in college, yet Cook was the 2nd rd pick and is a NFL star. Davis is his backup. FYI they are the same age.

I doesn't change the fact that management will want a 2nd backup inside and Green is a better option than Grable, Lundt and VanD

Green vs Van Denmark. If SVPG is out (on the PUP or season ending IR), Green is making this team over VD. The OL has depth on the ends with Grable and Lundt, but Anderson would be the only backup inside and doesn't play center.

i understand. I'd have done the same thing. By the way, we do put stuffed animals in the cages of singleton kittens at the rescue so that they can cuddle up to something. It makes a huge difference.

Lol. I posted in the wrong thread.

Here is the problem with rostering VD over someone like Ken Green; the Bills have three inside OL starters in Edwards, Torrence and McGovern, but with SVPG injured the only back is Anderson and he is not a center. VD, Lundt and Grable are not inside players. This is why I have Green making this team right now.

Haters are going to hate. It’s not rational. I don’t know how well the deal will workout, but I suspect it be fine. Assuming he stays healthy, I can easily see us getting 3 good years from him. If that happens, the contract will be a bargain. Remember he had a light work load in college leaving more tread on the tire for the NFL. The presence of Davis and Johnson lessen Cook’s work load as well and imho make it more likely he’ll stay healthy and be a major contributor over the life of the deal. I’m glad this is over and find it funny that there are many posts already trying to trade Cook.

My wife and I volunteer at a cat rescue. I know how it works. I am on the transport and adoption teams. I help retrieve cats from animal control and then, when healthy, help get them adopted. We have also fostered over a dozen cats until they were adopted.

I didn't realize that homeless pets needed stuffed animals. Wouldn't food and shelter be better?

Moore has done nothing in camp and didn't do anything in the preseason game. Beane invested big $ (relatively speaking) in Samuel and he is hurt again. I'd have dumped Samuel after last season, but his dead cap is $12 mil. Moore's dead cap if cut is only 2.5. That's 9.5 million reasons Samuel over Moore. In the battle between Codrington vs Shenault, Codrington has no cap cost to cut while Shenault's is only 15K. Other guys on the bubble ($ from spotrac.com) Hamlin - $2,000,000 (he's not getting cut) Dane Jackson - 567.5K dead cap if cut Ulofoshio - 235.5K Forrest - 167.5 K Shavers - 7K Ingram - $3,750 Mike White - 0 Kendrick Green - 0 Thompson - 0 Van Demark - 0 DL possibly on the bubble once Ogunjobi and Hoecht return Carter - 662K Solomon - 191K

QB: Allen; Trubisky (2) FB: Gilliam (1) RB: Cook; Davis; Johnson (3) TE: Kincaid; Knox; Hawes (3) WR: Shakir; Coleman; Palmer; Samuel; Shavers, (5). Possible: Moore OL: Dawkins; Edwards; McGovern; Torrence; Brown; Grable; Lundt; Anderson; (8). Likely: Green (53rd player) Less likely: Van Denmark DE: Rousseau; Epenesa; Bosa; Solomon; Jackson (5) DT: Oliver; Jones; Sanders; Carter; Walker (5) LB: Milano; Bernard; Andreessen; Williams; Thompson (5) Less possible: Ulofoshio CB: Benford; Hairston; White; Johnson; Strong; Hancock; (6) Possible: Ingram SAF: Rapp; Bishop; Hamlin; Lewis; Forrest (5) ST: Ferguson; Bass; Robbins, Shenault (KR)(4) PUP: Van Pran-Granger (1) SUS: Hoecht; Ogonjobi (2) Right now, I think Forrest, Green (C/G), Moore, Ingram, Ulofoshio, and Van Denmark are players 52-57. I think Moore and Green make the team right now as someone on the current injury list won’t be ready for opening day besides SVPG. Given the injuries to Brown, Dawkins, Anderson and SVPG along the OL, Green is my current 53rd player as SVPG replacement. With Samuel and Shakir already nicked up, Moore looks like the next option, but right now I have Shenault winning the KR job and Shavers making the team as both play Special teams. Thompson’s injury status could open the door for Ulofoshio. I have Shavers over Moore because of size, special teams, and I think he can grow into a Hollins type role on the Bills. His 68 yard catch and run last season still resonates with me and by all accounts he's had a very good camp. I am curious which two guys along the D-line could get axed when the suspended players return. I doubt we carry 12 players along the DL.

True so hate the media. That's not Damar's fault and it really doesn't make Damar a whipping boy, just a victim of terrible media.

I don't think anyone dislikes Damar, most just wish he was a backup rather than starter. Here Cook is enemy no 1 for reasons that don't make any sense.

Cook. Is there anyone else people here love to hate more than Cook?

https://www.slate.com/articles/arts/low_concept/2014/03/john_travolta_called_idina_menzel_adele_dazeem_what_s_your_travolta_name.html Is that a Travolta-fied name?

No, not necessarily. Late round picks would qualify especially since the Bills are a perennial contender can limit opportunities for late picks and UDFAs. Certainly Grable was a bit of a surprise last year. Hawes is kind of borderline for me. I watched him often at GA Tech and am not surprised at all that he is making an impression. He was fantastic against UGA last year. For those who aren't into college ball, I can very much see him as a surprise. When I wrote the OP, I was thinking UDFAs, cheap vets and camp invitees, but thinking about it further late rounds picks work as well.

Every year there seems to be a little known player or 2 (usually a UDFA or a camp invitee) who make the team or have a great camp and make their way on to the PS. Last year it was Buffalo Joe and Shavers. Admittedly, I haven’t focused on the camp news, but it seems two WRs have impressed (Wilkerson & Gosnell). Anyone else?

Williams is a year younger and more of a work horse back. Cook is faster, a better pass catcher, but not as much of an every down back. The contract should end up being about the same. https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/kyren-williams-33-million-rams-extension-could-impact-bills-rb-james-cook-2109250

Market price for Cook now set. Their stats are nearly identical. Both are 3 years in the NFL. Both were seldom used as rookies. Here are their stats for the last two years Cook: Rushing: yards 2131, TDs 18. Receiving 703 yards, 6 TDs. Scrimmage total 2834 24 TDs. Williams: Rushing: yards 2443, TDs 26. Receiving 388 yards, 5 TDs. Scrimmage total 2831 31 TDs. By the way Williams is 5'9 202 4.65 40. He'll turn 25 in a few weeks. Played College ball at ND and had 419 Rushing attempts in college Cook is 5'11 190, ran 4.42 40 and turns 26 in Sept. Played college ball at UGA and had only 230 carries in college.

No the Bills don't hold all the cards. Cook is essential to this team competing for a Super Bowl. The drop off from Cook to Davis is significant. I suspect the deal gets down sooner than later.

Of course it's business. Except top QBs, all NFL players have a limited shelf life. Got to get paid when you can.

Maybe we'll finally get some production from Samuel.

DE. When the Bosa experiment ends, they’ll need a top flight younger player to assume that role longterm.

You can't reach that conclusion. The only thing you can say for sure is that the coaches think the best use of Shakir on the Bills is in the slot and as Josh's safety valve.