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Laugh at the Raiders all you want, but Geno can throw the ball and their offense features Brock Bowers and Ashton Jeanty. I also think Dont'e Thornton is going to excel in their offense.

Bye Bye Mike, good luck in all your future endeavors.

Who could get traded instead of cut/waived/released? OL - Lundt, Van Denmark DL - Carter WR - Moore, Samuel TE - Davidson RB - Gore

This is certainly possible. Lets hope we never have to see the 3rd QB play in a game this coming season. Let's also hope the only time we see Mitch is when the Bills are up 30 in the 4th qtr.

Remember there is the emergency QB rule. The team can put a 3rd QB on the 53 or use one of their 2 weekly PS elevation on the emergency QB. That QB can't play in the game, unless a 3rd QB is needed for injuries. My guess is White is likely to be cut, but on the PS and then elevated each week as the emergency QB.

You clearly missed the point of my post. My post wasn’t about releasing guys prior to the last pre-season game, but illustrating how lousy a significant piece of the “depth” is.

I think he can afford Sunday ticket for the folks

I wanted Beane to spend on a non-retread starter at CB as well, but with having to re-sign Shakir, Benard, Cook, Josh, and Benford and limited cap space, Beane had to make a choice between getting needed help at WR (Palmer), DE (Bosa) and a CB starter and a S starter. He felt (right or wrong) that DE and WR were bigger off-season needs than CB/S and with limited cap space for FA he went in that direction. I understand the decision and mostly agree with it. Our WR play and DE play were worse than our DB play last season (and that is saying something). He also had Bishop who he hopes will make a huge step forward in year 2 at S and a good group of CBs with 1st rd grades. PS I'm not absolving Beane from wasting money on Samuel or for blowing the Elam draft pick. I think we'd all feel better about things if Elam had worked out.

Let's hold out some hope that it turns out to be something minor.

Hairston may start and if White can comeback healthy he will start. Forrest was also expected to compete for a starting S job, but it didn't work out. Bosa is the only DL FA or Draftee set to start. Sorry!

I'll add more facts. We drafted 2 DT, 1 DE and signed Bosa at DE, but really no other DE or DT that could make the team We then drafted 2 CB, 1 S/CB and signed 3 FAs who could make the team in White, Jackson and Forrest. It seems to me we spent more draft and roster capital (and maybe cap space) on the D secondary than on the DL.

You're right, I keep forgetting the rule about never letting facts get in the way of a good rant.

We also drafted 3 DBs (Hairston, Strong & Hancock) and signed White, Jackson, and Forrest among others.

The rate guys are getting injured, will we have 53 players to make a roster with?

Aren't you forgetting Douglas? Can you imagine if Douglas and Simmons are starting for the Bills week 1?

They'd prefer to Whip it! Whip it good!

We'd "save" 1.8 mill in cap if he is cut, but McD loves his vets. I highly doubt he gets cut, but stranger things have happened. There are 7 DT on the camp roster who will or could make the team. Oliver, Sanders and Walker are set. Jones is next, followed by Carter, the suspended Ogunjobi, and Lodge. If you cut Jones, then your only vet depth is Ogunjobi, who is suspended for 6 games and hasn't exactly shined in camp.

to the posters who disagree with me, which guys on this list would you miss if they were cut tomorrow? Which of these guys, beside Tre White, will get significant PT even if they make the team? Maybe Moore if he builds some chemistry with Josh?

IT was probably one his WRs adding to their rap sheets.

He takes enough hits and we need to get White or Trubisky (or their replacement) as many reps as possible.

Jackson will be fine. I have a friend who was an All-American DL at Tenn and had a tough time sticking in the NFL. He said the size, speed and talent difference between college football and pro football is hard to comprehend. He said it takes even really good players time to adjust and some never do. It’s why some of this discussion is premature. There is often a huge jump between year 1 and year 2. Just look at Cook, Shakir, Bernard, and Rousseau for recent examples. However, sometimes the jump takes longer. Look at Poyer and Hyde. Both become starters in their 4th seasons, but were allowed to walk at FAs. Neither was thought of a a future all-pro until they got to Buffalo in year 5. This is why I’m being very patient with Bishop. The speed is there and so is the football IQ. It’s really about staying healthy and adjusting to the speed of the NFL.

WR was the top priority in that draft. After taking Coleman, DeJean was off the board when the Bills drafted again. It’s really that simple.

I agree with most of this post, except in 2024, the Bills drafted a good number of players with significant NCAA experience and many in leadership roles on their college teams. I believe the thinking at the time was that these kind of guys would adjust quicker to the NFL and be able to contribute sooner. After the first 2 picks, Beane drafted 5 guys with 4-6 years of college experience ranging between 44-53 games played. I’m not sure that strategy worked so far. Ray Davis has, so far, been the biggest contributor of that group. Ulofoshio and Solomon look like they’ll be gone soon (admittedly they are late rd picks). SVPG is still developing, and Carter seems to already been passed on the depth chart by 2025 draftees. That doesn’t mean Carter or SVPG won’t eventually succeed in NFL, but they aren’t immediate impact players even in a depth role hoped for. I’d also add that this is not a full indictment of the 2024 class. I like Davis, Grable, and still have high hopes for Bishop and especially Coleman. I also still strongly believe that SVPG has a chance to be a starting NFL center. I don’t think people would complain to heavily if we ended up with 3 starters from this class.

There is a ton of “depth” on this roster that deserves a “courtesy” cut. Sadly, in some cases we don’t have even an adequate replacement. On offense: Trubisky, white, Moore, Samuel, Van Denmark On defense: Carter, Ogunjobi, Ulofoshio, Andreessen, D Jackson, White, Ingram, Forrest, Herndon. If these guys were cut no one would notice they were gone except maybe White. Hairston isn’t ready to start yet.

Our top 3 receivers are Palmer, Shakir (slot) and Coleman. The question is who are their backups. Moore and Samuel are Shakir's backups. Neither has much utility as a primary boundary receiver if Palmer or Coleman are injured. That leaves Shenault and Shavers as the backups. So would you rather have Gabe Davis as the primary boundary backup or Shavers and/or Shenault. To me the answer is easy. I'd rather have Davis.