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It is one the small surprises this offseason that Beane hasn’t added at all to the LB. I thought we’d add one with one of our 4 picks from 169 to 177. He didn’t even add a low cost vet for camp. This tells me that he and McD like 2nd year players Andressen and Ulofoshio.

I was hoping that it would end the Bills have the worst WR group in football narrative, but alas that hasn't happened.

FYI: Longest tenured Bills 2017 draft: Milano and Dawkins (White returns after one year away) 2018 draft: Josh and T Johnson Hard to believe Josh is the 3rd longest tenured Bill. NFL really does stand for 'Not For Long'

No, not according to the Bills website or Spotrac. The only TE's listed are Kincaid, Knox, Davidson and the newly drafted Hawes. The Bills waived TE Rogers in 4/17 after a non-football injury.

LOL. Brady will have Mitch handing the ball off to Cook, Davis and Johnson and short passes to Shakir, Moore, Kincaid and Samuel and we'll still score at least 24 points a game. Does anyone else find it weird (sad?) that most of our UFAs haven't found a new team? Cooper, Douglas, Smoot and Austin Johnson plus Morris and Miller are all still looking for jobs.

Trubisky was taken 2nd overall. I know people think he is a terrible QB, but he went to a pro bowl (2018) and has thrown for over 12000 yards in his career. His passer rating is 86. TD to Int 74-48. I have seen many worse QB's play for the Bills. If G-d forbid he has to play extended time, our great OL and running game should help keep him from his worst instincts and allow him to keep the Bills viable.

With the emphasis on D in the draft especially at corner and the DL it really took much of the drama and flexibility out of the camp battles. The only real caveat is injuries. The biggest camp battle looks like it will between Lundy, Van Denmark and Green for the likely final OL spot. I also am curious if Beane will carry 6 WRs. Could Shenault do well enough as a kick returner to allow Beane to cut Codrington? The last big issue is now many DBs will we keep? Beane drafted 3, signed 3, and has 8 returnees. Do we really need 14 players for 5 jobs?

Some numbers to chew on for guys people may think will be cut. LB Spector - dead cap if cut - 26K WR Shenault - dead cap 15k CB - Jackson - dead cap 567.5K S - Hamlin - dead cap 2 mill (cap hit only 1,337,500) CB/S - Lewis - dead cap 212K S - Forrest - dead cap 167.5K QB - White - dead cap 0 WR - Shavers - dead cap 7k OT - Green - dead cap 0 CB - Ingram - dead cap 3.75K LB - Andressen - dead cap 1.67K CB/KR - Codrington - dead cap 0 DT - Logue - dead cap 4K

Because the NFL is paying stupid money to WRs. See the Cinn for example. At some point the pendulum will swing the other way. It always does. That change is already happening. 7/8 of the most balanced run/pass teams made the playoffs and the least pass oriented team won the SB. The NFL is a copycat league. RBs are already coming back in vogue.

Considering that Davis averaged a full yard per carry less than Cook, I'd say there is a pretty large gap between the two players. As to Shakir, he has the potential to be up there, as do Coleman and Kincaid. Beane has never drafted a 1000 yard receiver. Cook was his first 1000 yard rusher and he has now done it twice. Right now I'd probably argue that Singletary is 3rd on the list after Cook. Devin had 4 seasons of 950 to 1100 yards of offense. Gabe Davis' best season was 836 yards.

How did Taron Johnson lose his job? Van Denmark can certainly be a trade candidate.

Yep! Who is, after Josh, the best skill player on offense drafted by Beane? The answer by a country mile is Cook. Back on topic for a second, with the signing of Moore do the Beane critics still think we have the worst WR group in the NFL?

Funny, but didn’t Moore visit before Beane went on White’s show?

Updated. Thanks

I have Ingram on the team because I think he’s the primary backup at slot corner. He is also a key special teams player, especially if Lewis is cut. Last year Morris, Gilliam, Ingram and Lewis were our special teams snap leaders. Morris is already gone. I don’t think Beane is going to part with both Lewis and Ingram. When I did my draft review I came away more impressed with the Lundt pick. I wonder if it could come down to Lindt vs Ingram for the 53rd roster spot. If Lundt has a good camp Beane may worry he won’t be able to sneak him onto the PS.

Not that this is a surprise, but a good year from Hairston would make a huge difference. Improvement from last year's top 2 picks would also be very welcome.

Updated for the Moore signing. With Moore on the roster, I've moved Shenault off the projected 53 man roster.

The Bills website lists Coleman at 6-4. https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/

I asked earlier in the WR thread and earlier in this thread, how would the Beane critics feel if Coleman, Kincaid, Palmer and Shakir all had 800 yards next season. Would that still be the worst WR group in the NFL?

I like the signing. Here is my main question. How will Brady and the Bills utilize Moore? He is a small fast receiver, who primarily been used underneath. His career yards per catch is only 10.8 yards. Basically he is a younger, smaller Curtis Samuel who is already a Bill. My hope is the Bills do something very un-Bills like and use his speed to to help take the cover off the defense opening up room for Kincaid, Palmer and others, while also giving him a few opportunities a game to make a big play downfield. I hope they try it with Samuel as well.

I fixed the headline. Great comments however.

All the WR folks not withstanding, Beane set out to rejuvenate the defense for future and improve it for next season and I think for the most part he has succeeded. I downgrade him some for signing 2 suspended player for the DL, but I like the depth he added there in the draft. Hairston is hopefully the future at CB and hopefully White has enough left in the tank to be serviceable at CB if Hairston proves unable to win the starting job out of camp. The biggest impact signing by the Bills will be Bosa if he can remain healthy and on the field. That said, I don't think the Bills are the most improved team this offseason. Then again, they didn't need to be. So who has had the best offseason so far? Who has had the worst? PS. I started this thread because we need to discuss something other than the WR group.

I watched Hawes constantly get open against a good UGA defense. He made 4 catches that day and was always open. We obviously see a lot of Tech games in Atlanta. Hawes is an excellent blocker, but there is much more to his catch ability than advertised.

Pete give it up. The team lost the last two years in the playoffs because the team’s defense wasn’t good enough. The team averaged 30 pts a game last season and in the playoffs and still lost. This draft was about revitalizing the lousy defense. It was about adding depth and finding eventual starters to replace guys like AJE, Carter, White and others. Why is safety winning the poll? It’s simple. Even after a D prioritized draft there isn’t a single good player at safety. Rapp is adequate at best and Bishop is raw and unproven. Every other position group on the team has at least one good or better player. QB has Josh, RB has Cook, WR Shakir, the OL has Brown, Dawkins and McGovern, and TE has Kincaid and Knox. On Defense CB has Benford, LB Bernard and Milano, DT has Oliver and DE Rousseau and Bosa. All the complaining about the WR group isn’t going to change the facts. I’ll add that this is all on paper. If Coleman and Palmer step up, WR goes from mediocre to good. Bishop develops into the player Beane expected when drafted and the safety narrative also changes. Go back two years ago and I doubt most people had our OL as a strength with a rookie guard, the aging Mitch Morse at center, the inconsistent Brown and newly signed McGovern at the other guard. PS Safety 75- WR 67.

Beane really doesn’t have to worry about this until 5 weeks into the season. By that time we’ll know how all the current guys and rookies are doing, who is healthy and who isn’t and whether the two suspended idiots are able to get into game shape. I honestly don’t think Beane is going to worry about it too much about it until week 5. Remember Beane decided to keep both players even after learning about their suspensions. I understand why he kept Hoecht as he signed him for 3 years, but Ogunjobi was only signed for this coming season. Beane and McD must believe he brings a skillset we’ll need or he would have moved on.