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Yea, I agree it's not Beane's best moment. With that said, Jeremy has access to that PC and Beane's decision making and still spent an hour of the show before Beane went on bashing the WR room. I'm sure it's quite frustrating for him

If that's the case, most stats then are not applicable and the entire conversation moves to eye test. The production of the statistic is the rate at which the QB scrambles outside of the tackles on a passing play. I'm not sure how "not exactly consistent" applies there. Allen - from the statistics available at current time - does not leave the pocket at a significant measure. Not 70% like you exaggerated, not heavily above average. 3% above average. That's very slight. Allen is REALLY GOOD at creating outside of the pocket, but that doesn't mean he leaves the pocket at a higher rate than others. I agree that Allen is the engine of the offense, which is why Beane has invested in an o-line that by statistics is very good and provides strong pass protection. In addition, he made an o-line that is very good with their running game, and forces defenses to respect the run.

I mean... the 2023 and 2024 stats I could find point to him being in a clean pocket at an above average rate, and him staying in the pocket at a slightly below average rate. That's not even addressing the situation of designed plays where allen moves with the line, which I know the Bills like to pull their tackles for RPOs. I understand the feeling that Allen leaves the pocket a lot and is forced out, but frankly the statistics measure him at an average rate.

The only thing I would say, if I had to choose something around the WR room to criticize Beane about - I really wanted Darnell Mooney last year and felt he would be a true #2 WR. We went with Samuel at a much lower rate, but I was comfortable paying a bit more for Mooney. Otherwise, I dont really see too much to argue with Beane about when it comes to his receiver approach. Maybe taking Ladd over Coleman, or potentially bringing someone else in FA. But when you see what the FA WRs are getting from bad teams, I'm not shocked Beane has instead focused towards other positions where you can obtain good talent without breaking the bank

Where are you getting 70% from? I found an analysis from 2023 that he threw from clean pockets almost 45% of the time. Where is this 70% of dropbacks he leaves the pocket? I found one post showing that Allen stayed in the pocket for roughly 57% of passes through the first 5 weeks of this year, which is slightly (like 3% lower) than league average. Again, nothing about leaving the pocket 70% of the time

Allen bailing every play is a very broad generalization of the offense. Allen has a very very good oline in front of him and our skill players aren’t trash, they are league average

The two of them were sitting there complaining about the draft where we addressed 3 of our most glaring holes, while taking guys with really good upside and traits. They spent very little time acknowledging the good about the improvements to defense, and spent most of the time saying "well, you scored 30, but against KC you only scored 29... we should've taken a receiver". I was all for a WR in round 4, the first three rounds the bes tpicks were clearly defense. If Golden fell to 24, I could have seen an option for a trade up. However, he didn't. I understand saying "yea, maybe in round 4 a guy like Royals could have been a nice find", but to sit here and just whine about WR this and WR that, I'm not shocked Beane is pissed. And then to just go "well, I wish you listened to the first 2.5 hours of the show", uhhh it was obvious that White was only really concerned about the lack of WR as a result of the draft. The praise was very minor in comparison to the 40 minutes of WR talk. Idiots

Was a clear move to make - they will likely bring in a lot of the FA guys right now (Chark, Moore, maybe Cooper again) to fill out that spot for camp. They know they have 4 WR spots taken: Coleman Shakir Palmer Samuel Could use 1-2 more options. If that's Moore and then one of the young guys (Shavers/Virgil), I think they will go into the year and see where they are after a few weeks getting to the trade deadline

Davis was considered a pretty decent vertical option out of the draft. but I agree, I don’t think they value the position in their offense

My guess, the team had substantially better grades on who they picked than the WR on the board. Thornton is all traits - I wonder if the Bills had a low grade on him and think he isn’t an impact player for a few years. Horton I liked as a day 3 guy, but they took Hancock who I really liked and Lundt has legit starting guard potential. they do lack in vertical threats, but I don’t think they were sold on anyone in this class

The offense has not been the issue in previous seasons limiting our chances of making the Super Bowl. The defense was. And now we used this draft to build a foundation on the defense and people are mad that we addressed the largest weakness on the team

I remember when the patriots were winning their super bowls and the question always was ”whose gonna be their 5th WR?!?!” jesus. This team has intentionally invested in a top 3 QB and a top 5 oline with a top 7 RB and top 10 TE duo and don’t lump all WR together. Shakir is a top 8 slot receiver. The weakness is vertical boundary threats…. Which Brady has schemed out of this offense in a lot of ways. they could be better, but the Bills have shown they don’t need to be to potentially win the super bowl

My boy Elic gets selected by the Titans… boo

WR, another DE and DT, and a RB if the value is there

Now let’s hope Elic Ayomanor drops to 132…

I don’t understand the negativity around our picks. Top needs were always CB2, DT next to Ed, and Dline depth. WR is there next. Some were mentioning Jackson at 56, we take him at 72…

Watched some of his tape this morning - the thing that looked like a WOW trait - closing speed downhill. He isn't sticky like Benford, he is a guy who just has that extra gear that he can switch to faster than anyone else to close down gap. Watch him turn and come downhill - it's VERY good. He looks different than other players.

KC may trade back again

And at 30 the bills pick…. cam skattebo RB Mcd “we really liked his compete, works hard for every yard”

Hey chiefs can’t take him now

Imagine if starks went 10 picks earlier and Baltimore takes Will Johnson - we would’ve hated that too. draft talent and let Josh do the rest

I’m guessing Campbell will be one of the next two picks

Will Johnson may be a real decision to make at 30. If you think he can be healthy, he and Benford are a serious duo

Atlanta could be a top 10 pick next year for the Rams now.

Atlanta just offered a boat load to go get a guy who I’m sure will FLOURISH in Atlanta… idiots