Cray51

Seriously. Age and injury concerns top to bottom

I’ve seen a bit of tape that gives me hope that he can separate. He has size and hands to make catches, and his time today shows he can separate at moments. I think he can be a solid #2 if developed. Not a slot 2, but a true 2

Gunner, my draft crush is Ayomanor. Think he would be available at 50 with a slight trade up? I see big potential with him in the NFL

How high do you think he climbs?

Eric ayomanor at 4.44 is another reason to target him at 56 or 60…. Great outside receiver with size and speed. Great minds

Judkins looks good. Really good lateral movement too

He said he was clocked at 4.23 this year…

I thought he would get closer to $18 a year, so $15 is a steal. I think he continues to be a 900-1100 yard receiver with high catch rate and great YAC. Exactly the wrinkle we need in this offense.

Coleman was “healthy” by the end of the year, and struggled to commit on contested catches and lacked physicality. cooper caught his targets even when he was wearing a brace and nursing a continued injury. thats why the comments are different

Cooper had a bad wrist injury suffered one week into his tenure as a Bill, and went against the doctors suggestion to shut down for the season and tried playing through it

Agreed, but if you are sitting there in camp and the best offer you get is a lower 4th, you take the deal and save the money. I think Edwards is a good player, but he is insulated by Dawkins who plays on an island and McGovern. Those guys are both strong for their position and mask Edwards a touch.

Edwards wont be cut, however if Grable/SVG come into camp and look great I could see a trade. O-line is such a need around the league, I'd be shocked if a team wouldn't trade a 4th or 5th for him closer to preseason

Yea I don't disagree that the Bills didnt get much from their rookies. Bishop did have 10 tackles in the AFC Championship game, but injuries really derailed these guys. It's funny about your last comment, you list 3 guys that were all picked before we went....

Maybe they are better with a healthy Bishop/Carter/Coleman, who all faced major injuries this past season (and might be a reason why our conditioning coach was fired)

Everything seems so much easier in hindsight doesn’t it… and btw, I was a guy clamoring to move up for BTJ by giving up our first this year back before the draft. I can have opinions that differ from what the Bills did, but also callout the realistic scenarios that Beane faces. My initial point doesn’t change, Beane would have taken on incredible risk trading up and giving a haul for BTJ. which btw, Bishop led the team with 10 tackles in the Championship game. If Thomas gets 70 yards, but we lose in another shootout because we have an off the streets guy playing safety since Rapp it out, are we sitting here saying “why didn’t Beane trade back from 28, take McConkey and Bullock??!!” I 100% bet there are posters that would have.

Says me? Or says the fact that no one could trade up to 23 from 28 or on. Jacksonville had already traded down from 17, and weren’t fielding offers. So that means you need to trade to 22, where the Eagles GM said they were targeting Mitchell and weren’t trading the pick. So then it’s 21, where Miami wanted Chop Robinson and weren’t trading back. So then it’s 20, where the Steelers picked OT and their GM said they had a very high grade on Fatanau. So now it’s 19 where the Rams took Verse, who they loved. so realistically, they would have had to trade from 28-18 IF the team wanted to. That’s costing you what - 28 + a second this year plus another second? Now we don’t have pick 28, pick 60, pick 95 (received in a trade back) and no Bills second this year… you can see why it’s not just me saying this trade up wasn’t happening

Adonai who had character concerns and had a worse year than Coleman for the Colts? your point here is that there was ONE available X guy after Coleman, who carries heavy baggage, doesn’t block as well on the edge, and had a worse year, but would have been the better selection? I’m not sure this is too sound of reasoning. Kincaid last year set a TE receptions record. He had knee and ligament issues this year. Let’s give him another year to see if he can be that 1,000 yard TE.

It has been stated before, there wasn’t a chance to move up regardless of interest. The teams that were in picks 17-24 were all focused on needs that were filled by the players selected at those spots. to move up for Thomas Jr, you are probably sending our second and 28 plus a 4th this year and I’m still not sure Jacksonville would accept. the draft fell too well for teams picking in that spot for them to consider a trade down

Dont bring reason into this, people are just mad the Bills didn't select the best players drafted after them.

The point is you are putting a $10 Burger against a $5 Burger but not factoring in price. If the Bills had pick 22, they take BTJ and our offense is completely different. We didnt have the opportunity to because we were 28th. There isn't a boundary receiver as good as BJT after he was selected. Zero. If we have BJT taken at 22 and are sitting there with picks 50 and 53, maybe they move up to draft Dejean. But to simply go "The Eagles drafted well and the Bills didn't" without acknowledging the context of their draft is silly. You take Worthy you can't get Carter (regardless of how you feel you dont get that 3rd round pick). And I'm not convinced Worthy is better than Coleman. You take Ladd and you give ABSOLUTELY zero boundary threat (I really like Ladd, but he is a pure slot guy) Bullock is a good pick, we missed on him. I'm hopeful about Bishop however. The Chargers had the worst boundary receivers in the league and still played Ladd at slot. We are going to disagree here. If Ladd was a capable boundary guy they would have used him there more. He is a GREAT slot guy, but he hasn't shown in the NFL an ability at the boundary.

Worthy is not foundational McConkey is a pure slot option and the Bills clearly wanted a vertical threat (I'm not sure that Coleman is much better on the boundary, but that's another conversation). Fiske is a good player for sure Dejean also a good player Lassiter is good, but not foundational IMO. So from my view, the drop off from truly foundational guys (BTJ, Mitchell, Alt, Nabers, Bowers, Alt) to the guys you mentioned is totally a decent gap. You mentioned some good players and guys who may become pro bowlers to legit pro bowlers as rookies who have All Pro potential.

No, I'm saying while the Eagles absolutely hit on their top two picks, you can't DIRECTLY compare to the Bills situation. If the Bills have pick 22, they are probably taking BTJ, who had 1204 yards as a rookie. Instead they had pick 28, and moved back because they didnt love any of the WR available. When the Eagles are picking earlier in the round, they have a higher chance at taking a better player. I dont know why that's such a crazy concept so many seem to misunderstand. They picked Dejean at 40, we take Bishop at 60. Do you think an early 2nd and a late 2nd are the same player? Hunt is a decent pick, but he only played 41% of snaps because the starters came out in the 4th. You asked to compare the Eagles draft class to the Bills - I did. The Eagles first 3 picks were taken on average 11 selections before the Bills were. I'm not saying the Bills drafted better than the Eagles, I'm saying the Eagles drafted well, while also getting to select players earlier. You are the one who asked for a review of the Eagles draft class. Dont laugh at what you asked for...

Eagles: Pick 22 - Quinyon Mitchell. Maybe the Bills take him if they were picking at 22. Eagles weren't trading back, so it's a moot point to try to say the Bills could have had a player like Mitchell at 28. It wasn't happening. Pick 40 - Cooper Dejean. Good player, Eagles traded up for him. I think he is a good safety/corner hybrid who will play for a long time. Bills could have taken him at 33, but that would have left NOTHING at receiver at pick 60. Good player though After this, they have Hunt (who is unproven), Shipley is a nothing player, Smith is a nothing player, Trotter Jr. has some upside, and depth o-line potentially. Eagles top 2 picks played well. Their combined draft position is 62 to the Bill's 92. They have essentially a half of a round of improvement on their picks compared to Buffalo. That is very important when we consider evaluating these guys.

Hurting your hand/wrist will factor into your ability to produce. Prior to his injury, Coleman was pacing for 800 yards and 6 TDs as a rookie. That's QUITE good, and would have put him above Odunze and right around MHJ for rookie production. Bills need to hope he returns to that first half of the year form. If he does, he is plenty productive, especially given the draft position.

Washington had the second overall pick, and 4 picks before we picked Bishop. Of course Daniels was great, he was the #1 QB in the draft. Their second round pick at 36th overall Newton had 19 tackles and 2 sacks, where DeWayne Carter had 14 tackles and 5 TFLs Sainristril was a decent corner this year, but was picked 10 picks before Bishop, and Sinnot their TE had 5 catches all year (pick 56)... Washington's draft hit because of Daniels. The rest of their selections are VERY VERY average. When you look at the draft, honestly it just doesn't look like a great depth class. Two players over 5 sacks, highest tackler had 62 tackles, Ray Davis was the third most productive RB, and only one player drafted after Keon had more yards, which was Ladd. And Ladd plays slot only. It was a top heavy draft that provided some great players (Daniels, Bowers, Nabers, BJT, Alt), but really cools off after pick 25. If Bishop can turn into a starting Safety, and Grable/Davis/Coleman become decent starters, that will probably be a good result given the class.