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If you read the full article it goes into detail. He chose 2002, because that was the time of the modern league re-alignment. He stopped at 2022 because he wanted to make sure draft picks had a sample size of multiple seasons as opposed to your Ladd’s etc. He chose picks 28-35 to get an approximate range of selections starting with pick #28 which was Buffalo’s original selection. This is hardly a predictive science. It just shares how WR’s selected at the end of R1/beginning of R2 have performed. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6328884/2025/05/02/bills-mailbag-brandon-beane-nfl-draft-wr-questions/?source=user_shared_article The Satchel: Much ado about Brandon Beane’s draft, wide receivers, and more

He wasn’t a first round pick technically…. He was #33 overall or R2 pick #1. I’m with you on improvement - just not sure his potential is as high as what some are hoping for but we’ll see

800 yards would be a very good season

This seems to be a narrative but one I don’t entirely agree with. While he did have his two best games against TEN and SEA, he wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire. Coleman had only had 5 and 4 receptions for 70 and 125 yards respectively. I’d agree that he does have some upside, but I’m not sure that it’s as high as some fans expectations Yes or no?

Is this Joe Marino of the Locked On podcast?

Take a look at the number Graham provided. If you look where Moore in R2 was drafted and the average production of a WR selected in that range, Moore is slightly above the average season. That’s why I’d give him the “decent” label. His production slightly exceeded his draft position - with some of the bad QB’s you referenced.

The average above was based on 13 games, which is the same amount that played his rookie season. While he surpassed yardage and TD’s he did not in receptions. But yes the fact that he’s in the ballpark is reason for optimism That was Tim’s argument for cutting off the search at 2022 and not including rookies like Worthy or Ladd who had pretty good rookie seasons

Much of the discussion this offseason has been about Keon Coleman and the step forward he’ll need to take to become successful. In fact, Brandon Beane constructed the WR room with the expectation that Coleman would take on a bigger role. I’ve seen fans with some pretty lofty expectations including comparisons to Tee Higgins or even calling him a future WR1. Personally, I think that bar is too high. Yes, I do believe Coleman will improve from last season, but I’m expecting more of a modest jump rather than a breakout. His draft position also matters here. Historically, receivers taken late in the 1st round to early 2nd, like Coleman, tend to have decent, not elite, careers. That includes guys like current Bills WR Elijah Moore. Tim Graham recently dug into the numbers using TruMedia and looked at all WRs drafted between picks 28 and 35 since the NFL’s 2002 realignment. Here’s what he found (excluding newer guys like Coleman, Worthy, and McConkey who haven’t played enough yet): Average game: 5 targets, 3 catches, 44 yards, 0.3 TDs Average season: 13 games, 35 catches, 471 yards, 3 TDs Average career: 77 games, 203 catches, 2,691 yards, 15 TDs The top careers in that group belong to Jabar Gaffney, Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Tee Higgins, and Michael Pittman. Even former Bills darling Kelvin Benjamin ranks in the top 10 for receptions and yards — meaning his career was actually above average for that draft slot. So when you look at it, Coleman’s 2024 season already puts him close to the average for WRs taken in that range: 29 receptions, 556 yards, 4 TDs There’s definitely room for growth but expecting him to become a dominant WR1 or a high level WR might be unrealistic. That said, I’m optimistic we’ll see some improvement. Personally, I’m projecting: 2025 prediction: 38 receptions, 625 yards, 3 TDs What about you? What are your expectations for Coleman this season?

Are you really sure he’s the best QB when he went in the 4th round and was the 2nd QB taken by his own team?

He had a very good season in 2023 playing in a Ron Rivera defense so I feel that bodes well for him in Buffalo. But we’ll see

I’m sure there are some out of market fans who will admit to this. Between Canada, WNY and CNY there’s always been a lot of support for the Bills so while fans might not have followed much pre-Allen, I’m guessing they liked the team. But I do think that Josh is very much responsible for making a lot of casual fans watch the games and pay attention to the Bills more closely

Wait… you mean you don’t read .com for the stellar writing and analysis from Chris Brown and Maddy Glab? I think the difference between then and now is that today all content that used to be exclusive to the website, is now broadcast through YouTube and social channels. So unless you’re looking for static information like the current roster or coaches bio. There’s not much of a need to log onto the website

100%. Great message brother 🇺🇸

See the 2022-2023 season….

What was his issue last season? I didn’t get the impression is was strength related

Nantz has an affinity for Buffalo. I remember him telling a story how he announced a game after one of his parent died and he was flooded with condolences from Bills fans. Endberg was never my favorite but he was just an absolute pro at whatever sport he was announcing. Between his voice, delivery, and his verbiage he made every event he called special.

Karlos Williams. Man he was a stud as a rookie both running and catching the football. Then I remember Rex joked his g/f was pregnant and he packed on sympathy weight because he was very overweight at minicamp. It must have been bad because he never played a down in year 2 It’s funny how the Whaley 2015 draft went from looking excellent in Year 1, to looking meh in Year 2, to looking like crap in Year 3. I remember in his first start that Thad managed to take a modest lead against New Orleans early in a game and thinking “maybe THIS is our QB.” 🤣🤣🤣

He’ll be a camp buddy fighting for a spot on the PS.

The schedule release is probably the part of the offseason I am least interested in. I couldn’t really give a rat’s arse about. Maybe if I was planning to travel to several out of town games….but I don’t really care

This is why I am very hesitant to expect a significant improvement for last season from Coleman. I do think he can improve but I’m not sure if it’s going to be the big step forward some fans…and possibly Brandon Beane are counting on.

Someone in this very forum called last year’s schedule “historically difficult.” While there were a several tough games, in the end it wasn’t as hard as it looked.

Just like last season when everyone was saying the schedule was a “murderer’s row.” I actually think this year’s schedule could challenging, as some teams that sucked last season could turn it around this year. The good news is, I also feel that Buffalo is better than last season

That is true but IIRC Kansas City was down to a backup CB and Gabe consistently cooked him. It looked like he literally broke in ankles when catching the 3rd TD

Inconsistent is right… maybe the best example of “what could have been?” Best example of Gabe Davis is Buffalo is Week 7 versus the New York Jets in 2022. Josh tears his UCL but still delivered what should have been one of the greatest Hail Mary passes ever to set up a game tying FG. While Gabe beat Sauce Gardiner, he failed tk make the catch. There were times when he would make absolutely HUGE catches - he was incredible at the end of the first half against Indy in the playoffs in 2021. But then he’d just make some killer drops or fail to beat press coverage. Someone once said the playoff game against KC was the worst thing to happen to him. #1 they lost! #2 it raised his ceiling way higher than it should have been. Now it seems like injuries are an issue - as they had been at times in Buffalo as well.

The whole Beane vs. Brett Veach was a topic on “It’s Always Gameday in Buffalo.” Sal felt that Beane drafting was just as good as Veach with some hits and a few Day 1 and Day 2 misses. Bove seemed to think that Veach was better based on the fact he selected 3 All Pro players (Humphrey, Sneed, McDuffie) whereas Beane has 0 currently. I would tend to agree with the latter.