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I'm with you, going to be interesting to see how the Lines hold up. If they can win in the trenches, they should be good to go.

In terms of talent for McD, I was refering to the fact he has brought in guys as coaches who have failed in their past NFL stints. Daboll is no exception, but given a QB its a different story, so lets see where that goes. I agree its on Beane to get the right players in here. I'd say he has done a pretty good job, but he needs somebody to slap him when he gets excited over nobodies like Chris Ivory and hands them exorbanent amounts of guaranteed money.

I want to see Oliver really make an impact. Wade needs more touches somehow, thats just fun to watch. Really want to see Foster and Zay show up. Would love to see Singletary get some open field, i want to know if this guy can really break one or if hes just too slow.

Ok, I agree, for years the Browns were just a shooting range for coaching careers, I assume that's what you mean. As for McD being in any danger, I highly doubt it, but if the D struggles, the record is bad and the time management doesn't improve, I don't think it's out of the question. We know Beane didn't choose him and the roster is supposed to be greatly improved. If they fall flat on their face AND the terrible in game decisions/ lack of in game adjustments continue ( he was better, but still bad last year), then I could see him hitting the hot seat. Let's not forget this is an offensive based league and McD doesn't offer anything in that department and thus far has not shown the ability to recruit top talent to run the show. I again reiterate, I think its highly unlikely, but if they fail, then its possible.

I have to disagree. There are only 32 NFL Head Coach Jobs, generally only bad teams have an opening. If you get the shot, you better take it. Hopefully, you go to a place with some talent and are able to draft a QB. Thinking out loud here, there may be openings with the Giants, Cowboys (probably not, but should be), depending on how things go, Atlanta, Washington, Denver, Sand Diego.. umm maybe Buffalo.., possibly New England in Billy hangs it up, Seattle.. who knows, but if you get a shot, you gotta go. You dont wanna be a Jim Bob Cooter who was red hot and then fell off the map.

I really thought this was going to be a "do you fire them" thread. I would not be shocked if the Offense does well and Daboll gets opportunities. However, I have been pretty adamant in my previous posts, this offense is not going ro be good without Josh Allen painting an S on his chest and going nuts. Unfortunately, the OL and WR positions have been greatly improved and still have low level starters at their core. TE is unproven at best and the RBs are antiques or unproven. If Daboll gets a good result, he deserves a shot at a HC position or at least a huge pay increase. Frazier should have been fired this off season, when you can't make the play calls as coordinator, you should go. He won't be hired away, but I wont be surprised if he's let go.

I'm actually not at all in disagreement with what you are saying, to stay organized, I'll tackle the numbers. 1) The defense has been shredded too much, gotta stop that to be elite, enough said. 2) I agree 9 wins was nice, but it was an overachievment and ultimately seemed more like a fluke to me than a deserving year of playoffs. From here down, please understand, I'm answering based on the OP, what's the discourse. 3) The media/national audience sees no swing and a miss in the draft before on a QB amd now taking a boom or bust guy, giving up a TON to do so. Easy to see why it's not a good look. 4) Why pay Shady so much and sign Gore and Yeldon prior to the draft, only to spend a high pick on a RB who is "too small and too slow" for the NFL. The gyys you named in your post, I would argue all have better measurables and therefore projections in the NFL. 5) If you are looking at draft value charts, they gave up far more value than they got back.. Nothing more, nothing less to this point. So in context of why does nobody else see the Bills as a decent team, I think it's relatively easy to see it. As Bills fans we see it in Rose colored glasses and assume the best, the rest of the world sees the surface facts. The Bills have sucked for 20 years and their decisions look slightly suspect.

It's not out of the realm of possibility for a guy to develop from the PS, but certainly the odds are against it. After watching Tyree, I have my doubts he will be in the league much longer. He's an athlete, but if he wants to stick, he may need to take up route running.

I think they are making a mistake not letting him get in real action. I won't be shocked if he coughs one up on a good hit. Hopefully, its beneficial to the Bills, he could absolutely run us over.

I have to disagree on the "elite" defense. They are fine, but they got SHREDDED in multiple games last year. Make all the excuses we want about them having to play too many minutes (cough no depth cough) or whatever we want to hear, but shutting down rookie QBs and the Dolphins isn't elite. They got it handed to them in many games, you NEVER saw that with Baltimore, who is the truly last Elite D I recall. The playoff appearance was a complete fluke. Sorry, but 9 wins and Andy Dalton saving you doesn't make you a real team. The drafting does look pretty good, but there are a lot of head scratchers in there, especially from the outside looking in. For the average observer, the Bills traded the Maholmes pick and didn't get Watson either, then gave up a boat load to come up for the most polorizing prospect in recent history in Allen, who really didn't do anything different than what he did in college so far. So they just look really dumb, regardless of new regime etc. Also, why did they "waste" a pick on a RB this year with Shady, Gore, Yeldon on board? Looks silly, in all reality, I still dont like that pick, hoping im wrong. They then gave up a bunch to come back up for Knox, who I like, but the pundits say they over paid a lot to get there, which is true. Its a wait and see game here.. So overall, I'd say nothing has been proven and especially in the eyes of the media who saw McVay come in and take a dumpster fire and turn them in to SB contenders in a year. That makes this whole "process" look pretty weak. What's never mentioned is the Rams had built a solid team and McVay got the benefit of it, but shhhh, that's not fun to talk about.

I think he was a guy that shouldn't have been taken in the first round, but he's not terrible. For the position where you took him, probably a fair grade. I wanted Jack that year, couldn't believe he fell and then we got Whaley'd

Thank you for completely proving my point in your own words. There is zero proof that anything has actually been fixed! They threw a lot of crap at the wall and hope it sticks. Most of the signings they had in the off season were guys who couldnt hold a starting job where they were, but instead if signing one starter for real money the Bills signed 3 for more money total. They then signed the big ticket guy in Morse who has a severe injury history, boom he's injured. They signed Kroft, who had one good half of a season to his credit a and an injury history, boom he's out. They signed Lee Smith to the roster for ST and blocking, not to be a 7th rounder's back up, Sweeney wasn't a factor at all until injuries to 3 guys in front of him. You are honestly grasping at straws to prove your idea. Now on to the point the Bills have no problem attracting talent. Antonio Brown flat out said no, not that I think anybody wants him now, but thats a top 5 WR in the league saying no. They signed nobody in the free agency that was anywhere near a top 15 player at their postion, arguably they didnt sign a player thats even a starter elsewhere outside of 2 guys which they paid excessive money for who have huge injury histories (Morse and Kroft). So you threw them the most guaranteed money and they took it. They signed 2 WR who are historically #3 options on their prior teams and expect that its going to work with no number one. One of those guys, Beasley, played in that type of non-sense before after the Boys lost Bryant and they floundered. Brown was ultimately shut down in Baltimore, even before the Flacco injury, because he's basically a poor man's Lee Evans... but again with a big injury history. It's not that I'm being negative here, but to say this team has been improved is not proven, much less, you dont know where they could possibly spend the money to get better. That's a joke. Clowney would be a nice player to have, but I'll take more offensive weapons in a big hurry over a guy that's not going to change the outcome of the season. He's not Mack, he doesn't change the whole game. He's going to get over 20M when he signs and I don't want to be the team that pays that, because as Coach says AVAILABILITY is a huge part of value to the team. He's been injured and out a lot too. Thanks, but no thanks. Sorry if the truth dosen't go over well. I like what the team has done in a lot of ways, but much of what we assume to be improved is just taking other team's borderline starters and put them over players that should be street free agents that were playing important roles here last year. To say the depth at TE is great because we have a gifted athlete they took in the third round and a bunch of other guys who haven't done much, call me skeptical.

Come on now, that is SERIOUS Homerism. I'm fine for getting Clowney, but there's plenty of room for improvement with this roster. TE has exactly zero proven talent outside of Lee Smith, you are assuming two rookies and a guy with half a good season are "the best in years" The depth behind Zo is weak and young, so you are going to need to draft one to start, ie 2nd round next year or you are signing one. On to the cap space, you are still not attracting superstars to Buffalo NY without the potential of winning a SB. This team can't beat the Pats, nor likely even manage to get to a WC game.. so who cares what cap space you have? It's shown already, your signings here are injury riddled guys who are still getting over paid to come. Unless Allen makes a HUGE leap, this team is going no where. Thats going to be difficult with no body of real talent to throw to. Yeah it says they are smart enough to realize they gave Watt a huge deal and still cant win ***** because offense wins in this league and they're not dumping 22M a year into it again.

That's a giant if to start with. Secondly, this is AT BEST a wild card team, if they get lucky (again). The defense is good, but its essentially the same one that couldn't handle playing 40 minutes a game last year, so pump the brakes, nothing happens unless the offense can do their part. So you would purpose not getting better because there isnt a roster without a lot of holes on it?

You are kidding, right? No holes? WR is a giant one, DE, jury is still out, but just because the OL is better than the puddle it was, doesn't mean its good. TE is a question mark, LBs are weak for depth.. this isn't a playoff team and you dont know where they are going to spend money?

If that was struggling, I cant wait for him to get rolling.

One worked, the other didn't. Mayfield also can do no wrong in the eyes of ths media. Hell it was celebrated when he ripped a beer can open with his teeth and chugged it on the jumbotron.. That would have gotten him shamed for days if he were virtually anyone else.

But you can Franchise him next year, so theres pretty solid leverage to hold on him.

Not only that, the Patriots don't take on guys with less than All-Pro talent if they cause trouble. Its kinda awesome to watch... except they continue to curb stomp the Bills. Im with you, I'd send Lawson and a 4th for him. Nothing against Shaq, but I doubt hes here next year anyway, or maybe I should say, it doesn't matter if he is.

You can franchise him, so he's yours, like it or not. Not saying id do it, but you can lock him down.

I feel like we will see an 8-8 team.. my expectation is Allen is good enough to keep you in a few you shouldn't be and lose a few you should win.

Interested to see how Johnson performs in his absence, hopefully there are too many starters for too few spots out there.

Wade is a free PS member and he's going there. Clearly they were excited to get him "a few touches" the first of which was a monster run, after he almost fumbled. He's nowhere near ready, not even close. My suspicion is you will see Shady and Singletary basically alternate and Gore will be the thumper/change of pace guy. I don't see Yeldon making the team, unless they are going to do it purely based on next year's roster. I just don't see it. I think they had little intention of drafting a back this year and it happened to fall the best guy on their board was Singletary. I can't say yet if I see what they see in him, I don't see the burst to be a good starter in the NFL, but he could prove me wrong. Either way, no ST play from Yeldon and the fact hes not all that special anyway, leads me to think he's going to get caught in the numbers, barring an injury or trade of course. I could see them pulling a late round pick out of him or Gore for that matter. The other guys are effective and valueable elsewhere, its unlikely you are going to get much out of a 4th RB when you have 2 HOF players and a highly regarded rookie in front of them, so they better play ST. Next year Wade has to stick or he's done, 29 yrs old and don't have the skill set down? You are done. He looks like he could be a helluva return guy, so maybe he has some value there too.