NoHuddleKelly12

While I realize the point of the OP has been long taken off the rails in this thread, and I fully expect the mods will prolly not like us getting this deep in the woods as the historical record for the existence of basic tenets of Christianity, I have to point out that the historical record of the Bible as well as outside of it, shows evidence for agreement that a group of 12 actually existed alongside Jesus during His earthly ministry. These sources include many of the world's earliest historians A.D. known to us who carried information through to us for preservation to the present day. John Oakes, PhD in summarizing the historical record: "We have the evidence from Josephus who tells us about the martyrdom of James, the brother of Jesus, who was the leader of the Jerusalem church. Josephus also relates the execution of the apostle James. We also have the evidence of the early church writers. The first important church historian, Eusebius, wrote in the early fourth century. He tells about all twelve of the apostles, plus Paul, relating where each ministered and how they died. Eusebius quotes his sources, such as second century historian Papias and Irenaeus and other Christian writers. The reliability of Eusebius varies somewhat, but he was a careful scholar and he quoted his sources. Some of the things he tells us about what happened to the twelve may be inaccurate, but what cannot be wrong is that there were twelve apostles. There is no way someone like Eusebius could have gotten the number of apostles wrong. Irenaeus, writing in the second century, tells us that he learned under Polycarp who knew the apostle John personally. Is it possible that Irenaeus got this wrong? I do not think so. If we go back to such books as the Didache and the Letter of Clement to the Romans, both written around the turn of the first century, that there were twelve apostles was assumed. This had been the tradition of the Christian church from the beginning of its existence. Is there any possible motivation for the church to make up the existence of twelve apostles? I cannot think of any. The Didache, a very early Christian catechism dates from the very late first century. When it was written, some who had known the apostles were still alive, although they would have been quite old. The Didache is also known as “The Lord’s Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles.” The unknown writer of the Didache assumes that there were twelve apostles because it was common knowledge that there were twelve apostles. The people who knew Jesus personally would have known how many apostles there were. It is irrational to believe that there were not twelve apostles of Jesus because every account of Christianity is unanimous on this account, including even Josephus who was not a friend of Christianity." https://evidenceforchristianity.org/is-there-any-evidence-other-than-the-bible-that-shows-that-the-twelve-apostles-existed/ Additional summary citations contained within Sean McDowell's PhD Dissertation: https://digital.library.sbts.edu/bitstream/handle/10392/4857/McDowell_sbts_0207D_10221.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y (see p.39, "The Historicity of the Twelve") The Apostle Paul in his letters to the early church, discusses meeting some of the 12 personally such as Peter, James & John (Galatians 1:11-2:10), each of which separately also confirmed their membership in the 12. I could go on, but this is probably not the thread for diving so deep. Ok, well, maybe this is the right thread then! . Guess we should start debating the merits of how to pronounce "GIF" in here next?

This sounds spectacular—and can bring the heat, clearly. If cooking for additional folk who can’t take the heat (better half), would you change out the Bush’s hot chili beans or just leave off the Frank’s?

So while I realize it’s still in the meat of the Summer (Tre’s sweatpants in practice this week notwithstanding) and many folks would raise an eyebrow at thinking about all things chili at the moment, I happen to be in the camp that good food, much like ice cream, deserves to be enjoyed year-round. And this is one of my favorites no matter the season. That said, what’s your go-to family chili recipe & or tips? Slow cooker or cook pot stovetop? Fire for flavor or subtlety? Specific on beans or whatever you have laying around in the pantry? Sour cream, shredded cheese on top or does that take away from the finished product too much? I’d like to try a new recipe the next time I make it, and was curious what you all do for yours?

Maybe you should’ve started off with the moon landings OP?

NDE’s are a verified occurrence for which traditional medicine has little explanation. Beyond that, yes the afterlife is a faith issue; given what the stakes are, I’ll gladly accept the free gift Christ promised for preservation of my soul. Jesus Himself is confirmed to have lived—so either He is who He claimed to be, or He was the biggest fraud/snake oil salesman this side of a Kirby vacuum cleaner—there’s no inbetween about that! Those who say He was a good man but not the Savior are missing that point—accept all or none at all. It’s everyone’s free will to choose for themselves. It should also be noted that those who knew Jesus best during His earthly ministry, the disciples outside of Judas, all to a man died as martyrs for they would not stop proclaiming that Jesus was who He said He was...they paid for what they said was the truth with their lives. Don’t know about you, but I would never willingly die for anyone who I actually knew to be a charlatan, FWIW.

Perhaps we could finally get the Super Bowl played on Saturday?? That’s been a long overdue change imho. Own it!

It’s clear that Sean and Brandon, whilst simpatico on their roster choices, do not see eye to eye on the necessity of UV ray prophylaxis... I mean, basically with the right headgear and mirrored blue shades, any of us could sneak past security as “McD” and start clapping us some camp reps! No facial ID possible here

Not for nothing, but I’d rather my guy comes through in the clutch than a Stafford type putting up gaudy numbers that mean nothing by the time the final whistle blows because he couldn’t make it happen late...of course, putting both together even better, and we will see more of that this year imho.

Hmmm. Also a faith-based statement .

If he was underdressed for the season then I stand corrected!

I know it’s Buffalo and all, but sweat pants in August?? ?

If this isn’t it, then it still should be!

EJ also an expert on the elite art of losing an NFL game on not one, but 3 continents! We’re just ensuring that the door doesn’t hit him on the way out!

How do their college resumes even come close to being a 1 for 1 comparison?

Don’t hate the player or the game! They absolutely should be ranked at the top!

Best leave yourself some wiggle room on these sorts of takes.

No live animals were hurt during the filming of this gif

All day, this OP’s threads be like...

Not for nothing, it was Jesus who took issue with the “religious” know it all hypocrites during His earthly ministry, likening those Pharisee religious leaders who insisted on loud public spectacles with their liturgical prayers and emphasis on appearances, to bleached bones or empty vessels—so this is not exactly a new problem. Or those seeking to turn the temple into a financial center that he had to remove. Those were all the same folks who fought Jesus’ message of grace & redemption from our fallen condition the most, FWIW. Point being—religious label is worth nada by just itself.

But it’s good we can engage on this and hear each other out. I hope that in some measure it helps to dig deeper and see where each of us is coming from as a means to create bridges, and not burn them.

Whoever came up with that "Simon Says" kids game might have something to say about that.