NoHuddleKelly12

Or by the posters on this board! This place is usually 1st stop shop for any Bills content I need to get, including deep analysis dives.

To be fair, he was first put on the spot by a reporter. And you could arguably say the same thing about any athlete who voices any thoughts/opinions as to issues outside of their professions--and I'm not saying that's a bad thing mind you, just that when he prefaced what he said with, "I think..." it immediately becomes clear that's an opinion coming. In his case yes, faith-based according to what he said. A free society must be able to engage itself with opinions of all kinds. I respect your right to have one, as much as I know that you do for anyone else posting here.

Gunner, but at the very heart of the belief that undergirds the point behind Mark 12:28-31, is that you are directed to love your neighbor as yourself (the golden rule)--not loving God at the expense of loving others, but rather, because of loving God, you also love others (in fact are directed to love others equally to yourself). This is why Jesus taught what He did concerning "The Good Samaritan," a story which in and of itself makes no earthly sense because the Samaritan personally himself got nothing out of helping his tribal enemy in need. But seen in the broader context of the scripture I referenced, it makes perfect sense. My point is, these are not mutually exclusive concepts such as your comment indicated you may think Fromm presented them as?

He brought it up in the context of making an observation of how the world could be made better--how is that a defense mechanism per se? If loving God & others is how he chooses to then do his part, maybe MLJ could've followed up with asking for specific examples, what concretely that means to Fromm now in his daily life, how can he better serve his "neighbor" in the context of improving racial relations, etc.? Since the text messages didn't show that type of neighborly conduct, it's fair to ask what's changed for Fromm since then?

I haven't seen outright personal attacks yet in 10 pages, which speaks to the mutual respect most of us carry for each other built over months/years on this site opining on whatever the topic du jour happens to be.

Glad I never started. And I avoid PPP here like a covid positive public restroom.

Leviticus 19:18 "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against any of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD." Mark 12:28-31 "One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" 'The most important one,' answered Jesus, 'is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." Clearly what Fromm was paraphrasing (perhaps in-artfully as a young millennial?) was the point behind these specific scriptural references you're asking about? Again, if we start with the presupposition that Fromm based on his statement now believes in the teaching that we are all equal before God regardless of race/status, then the natural flow from that is it would be wrong to treat one another unequally based on said race/status.

I respect that's your opinion. Others including me may disagree, which was my point upthread concerning the subjective nature of what in that context would have been an "acceptable" answer. I'm glad all of us get the chance to go back and forth over it though.

Agreed 100%.

Being "religious" means nothing without putting something into actual practice, which is what I took Fromm's point to be in his answer. Loving others does not follow just by defining oneself as "religious." I would agree with your take if all he actually said was "I'm religious."

I interpreted what Fromm was saying to mean what the point behind 'loving your neighbor as you would like to be treated' is--namely, if all of us no matter what race or status we have in this world, are still equal before God, then those same differences of race/status could/should not be the basis for unequal treatment by each of us of one another.

But "a better answer" would be purely subjective to the ears of whoever is listening, no? That may be the problem ultimately, that no answer would make all equally happy in that context?

When Jesus gave the parable of "The Good Samaritan" (starts at Luke 10:30), it was the embodiment of the golden rule. A man who by rights was the sworn enemy of another in a different tribe, stops to help and rescues his enemy from certain death, and pays for his recovery care--all while getting nothing back in return. If those who say they cling to the Bible were to put it into actual practice, then your take would hopefully be different as well. edit: this would be like me stopping on a 5-lane interstate to fix Bill Belichick's flat tire--I can hardly think of a more detestable thing to have to do!

I get it eball, I really do. Just want to say that this type of person doesn't automatically equate to "authentic Christ follower"--you can be a loud Bible thumper and not truly understand its core message as taught by Jesus--in fact, being someone who wants to beat others over the head with it in a condemning manner probably makes it more likely that you're missing the forest for the trees.

Mark 12:30-31. Racism/white supremacy find no refuge in Jesus' words here.

"Now, more than ever, is the time for support and togetherness and I stand against racism 100%. I promise to commit myself to being a part of the solution in this country." I take that to mean that he's in solidarity with the themes driving the national re-examination of racial issues. I understand you may disagree that he's still not being specific enough, but if the place that you start from as a worldview isn't built on the right foundation (we are all born equal under the sun and should be treated as such), then all the rest is just window-dressing as far as I'm concerned. I do think that Fromm's acceptance by his teammates (if that's what's been happening) will speak very loudly on that point of whether or not he's being authentic. Again, just imo.

But didn't he do that before already? https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-jake-fromm-apologizes-for-leaked-text-theres-no-excuse-for-that-word-choice-and-sentiment/ From the article: "I am extremely sorry that I chose to use the words 'elite white people' in a text message conversation," Fromm wrote in his statement. "Although I never meant to imply that I am an 'elite white person,' as stated later in the conversation, there's no excuse for that word choice and sentiment. While it was poor, my heart is not. Now, more than ever, is the time for support and togetherness and I stand against racism 100%. I promise to commit myself to being a part of the solution in this country. I addressed my teammates and coaches in a team meeting today and I hope they see this incident is not representative of the person I am. Again, I'm truly sorry for my words and actions and humbly ask for forgiveness."

Exactly right. Like a Pharisee--making it all about outward show/appearances rather than meaningful substance. Jesus specifically called them out on that.

That's anyone's prerogative of course! But if you do, and truly follow His teachings, then the loving people part is indivisible from that. I don't mean that it's not possible to love other people if you don't believe in Jesus--but if you do, then the 2nd part should always be there too, is all.

Respectfully @eball, I have to point you to this--to love God first, also means that, "The second [greatest commdment] is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." Mark 12:31 (NIV). You can't observe the 1st without the 2nd, which is I believe what Fromm was driving at (imperfectly as Fromm may have practiced this before). How this would not be "acceptable" strikes me as intellectually missing the boat, imho.

Most of our guys just seem to be plain hungry, to learn and win, and you can’t buy that as a front office. Testament to our scouts and player evaluation for picking up on those types of intangibles along the way.

Break time's over Tommy!

This guy isn't though.

Talk about covid-era 12th man advantage!

Bingo.