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I can follow up with the Patriots the year they beat ATL in the Super Bowl. Ebner, Mingo, King, Bolden, Slater were all primarily ST players. They spent around $6M again here.

The New England Patriots. When they won the Super Bowl against the Rams they had Matt Slater, Nate Ebner and Brandon King who played ST only (combined 20 snaps on offense and defense between the 3). They spent about $6M/year between the 3 of them... that was just the easiest one for me to find... you asked for Super Bowl winner or recent contender... I met the requirement. We’ve dedicated money towards two non-kicker players who only play ST... Matakevich and Taiwan Jones. Is there anyone I’m missing? For comparison there... Matakevich and Jones combined for 76 non-ST snaps this year. @FireChans

Taking a poll... Would you trade... John Brown for Mitch Trubisky Emmanuel Sanders ?

Yeah their corners did a fantastic job against Buffalo. They really showed up when they needed them. I’m over crowing people champions because they signed a few good players... or saying a team stinks because they didn’t sign “insert player here” It boils down to the fact the Dolphins were embarrassed in their most important game of the year last year... and half of that embarrassment came against backups... on a team that many on this board claims doesn’t even have good starters outside their QB. The trolls get old.

Everyone gushed about how great the Dolphins corners were last year too... that worked out well for them.

I wish we ran things more like the Dolphins and Jets...

I didn’t hear it... that’s why I am asking for where it came from. When I initially asked for you to cite it... I had no idea of it was your own individual research, if it came from an article, a TV broadcast, a podcast, a radio show or from a leaked source inside the NFL. Why was it so unreasonable for me to ask about where it came from... when you had provided zero indication as to where you got it from? I’m not looking to disagree... I’m sitting here listening to your points and trying to put everything together... without seeing the information how can I make any reasonable conclusions... right or wrong? It only helps you to provide me with the information if it’s reasonably available... all you had to say was that you heard it on the broadcast... not accuse me of being unreasonable and calling you a liar... neither of which I did. Again... where did I ever insist anything other than the fact that I wanted you to cite the source? So because I want to see information for myself to better understand what we’re discussing... I’m claiming that your statement is false? I better never ask a car salesman for information on a vehicle I’m purchasing... or a realtor for information on the home I’m purchasing... shoot me if I read a bill proposed by politicians from cover to cover as opposed to just believing them outright that it’s going to benefit me... God forbid I want to see information to form my own opinion.

I’m not disputing the stat... I’m asking to see the stat. I’ve never seen it... I never said it’s fake or wrong... I literally just want to see it. You’ve mentioned it various times and never actually produced the source... how am I supposed to know anything about that other than taking your word... you just say “network statisticians” is that ESPN, Fox, PFF, CBS? Where can I find it to examine it myself? You can’t even tell me the source? That’s what seems odd... not the actual information itself. If you can’t provide evidence then you’re just spouting off about something with no proof... how am I supposed to believe your claim or not without seeing it for myself directly from the source? How can I dispute their information if I don’t even know where to find it? And then you won’t even cite it... that’s just you being difficult and/or irresponsible... why would you hide the information from me if I want to see it?

Idk. I really really hoping for us to acquire 4 All-Pro lineman this off-season. 2 G, 1 C and 1 T. Dawkins is fine for now but we could start looking for an upgrade there after this year. Evidently Beane doesn’t care too much about protecting his franchise QB or running the ball. Could’ve easily acquired 4 All-Pro linemen.

No dude. Come on.. we haven’t done anything that I wanted us to do to get better!!! I have come on TBD and cry about it!

Can you cite the homegrown talent numbers for me please? I’ve seen you reference it numerous times but I’ve never actually seen the numbers. When McDermott and Beane came in a stripped down the few remaining draft picks from the previous regime... that obviously had an impact on those numbers. Same people have been running the show in Baltimore and KC for a decade now... Tennessee and Indy never made the decision got a full blown tear down. It’s not like they’re on the same footing as Baltimore and KC when it comes to how long they’ve been competing and they took a different approach from Tennessee and Indianapolis because they were also at a different point in time... both had their “franchise QB” when McDermott and Beane arrived 4 years ago... they weren’t rebuilding. There were decent draft picks from true predecessors... guys worth holding on to... you can’t say the same about Buffalo.

Come on man... you know why this is... This is just dumb to include. It has nothing to do with this regime’s drafting or organizational philosophy and everything to do the guys before them. It is unnecessarily misleading. Now they’re retaining their own with Dawkins, White, Milano and because of that don’t have money to spend so you’re complaining about that out of one side of your mouth and then out of the other side of your mouth you complaining that they don’t have enough of their own drafted players on the roster? What do you want? Over reliant on free agency for depth... but then when they end up with depth players or non-superstars you complain because they drafted depth players... and the Bills have drafted as many if not more difference makers than any other team in the league. I’m not disputing cap space is tight.. there have been missteps... you’re consistent with that... but stay consistent with everything.

I’ve read 3-4 of your posts today and have outright agreed with you... the world is probably about to end.

Lol. You and I are both so spun around. I am confused because you’re not defining anything for me! Haha What do you considered numbers for a #1 WR? What do you consider numbers for a #2 WR? What do you consider numbers for a #3 WR? I personally think he’s a solid #2 and his numbers over the last 24 games suggest that to me by my definition of a #2... what I’m trying to understand is your definition of a #2... because you’re calling him a rotational #3 guy fighting for playing time... Once I understand those things I can dive deeper into how I feel... but we also might actually agree on some concepts here. Easier to find common ground on definitions and concepts prior to going further...

Yes, fans generally react off of emotion. They base their perceptions of off very few and specific experiences with particular players (typically fantasy football or watching 1 of their nationally televised games) and formulate their opinion based off of that. Which results in typically have very little evidence to support their argument and their argument is slanted based off a limited view of that player... or they decide to use useless information to back up their argument that doesn’t even match the description they’re throwing out. The issue with your point is that your numbers don’t match your description and you’ve failed to define anything to give me something to go off of. The 50th percentile and up of 600-900 yards and 4-6 TDs are borderline WR1 and definite WR2 numbers... Guys like Beasley, Kupp, Woods, Boyd, Landry, Smith-Schuster put up numbers like that last year... so they’re rotational #3 WR?

Well what do you consider WR #2 numbers? Because I think you’re off there too... you named yardage and in terms of yardage the past 3 seasons he’s been a low end #1 and high end #2. #27, #33, #50 and that includes RB and TE. I’m not telling fans to do anything... where did I say to get excited or not to get excited? That’s just making things up... scroll back and give me an example. Nobody is saying the Sanders is having his career year here this year? I sure didn’t say that... so what does it actually matter how old he is or if he’s in his prime right now? It doesn’t matter... we’re not expecting him to have career year or be our leading receiver... why would you give me leaders for that? If you have me performance against age for all WR or something like that... that makes a good argument. Showing me the top WR in the league and saying “See they’re young and putting up 1500 yards” is disingenuous... nobody is expecting Sanders to put up 1500 yards or saying he’s in his prime. It’s just useless information.

I take back my comment then and I’m wrong. Last I had checked they were over the cap...

The Eagles need to get under the cap by 4PM.... so they’d need to make a move on Ertz before then to provide themselves with cap relief. She’s saying 4PM isn’t the deadline for a move... that’s the hint. Which basically rules Ertz out unless Philly doesn’t want to cut him and they’re becoming cap compliant by moving on from other players.

Yes, he’s aging. The rest is not correct. He didn’t play more than expected for New Orleans... they signed him to a 2/$24M deal. I don’t know many teams dropping $12M AAV on a guy they don’t expect to play that much? He may have played a different role then expected but the amount he played wasn’t anywhere near unexpected for his salary. This is the first 1 year deal that Sanders has signed... ever... he has not been bouncing around on 1 year deals up to this point. Also, why are you showing me league leading receivers? Sanders isn’t a #1 WR for us and never has been a #1 WR for anyone... that’s just a nonsensical illustration. You’re telling me that Emmanuel Sanders doesn’t move the needle as a #2/3 option because he’s getting older and older players aren’t leading receivers? It’s a good thing we’re not relying on him to be our leading receiver... I suppose we move on from Cole Beasley too because he’s going to be 32... forget that good season he had last year... he’s over 30... the likelihood that he leads the league in receiving is decreasing... we don’t want him!

Old and slow... Stupid me and my eyes, TV and computer...

I think it’s kind of ***** too... but at the same time I know for a fact reporters and people hiring reporters and media personalities require them to look a certain way... the industry itself is shallow... can’t blame the followers for... well doing just that... following the lead. Even though it’s wrong.

Well would you look at that... another stat where Emmanuel Sanders is better than Curtis Samuel... Amazing what happens when you use your eyes, a TV and computer.

Yeah we do all have eyes, a TV and a computer.. and you can scroll through this thread and look at all of the people who fail to use any of those tools and just throw out extraneous claims without anything to back them up. Just because you have these tools doesn’t mean you actually know how to use them and what you’re looking for... You obviously haven’t used your eyes, TV or computer to find out that Sanders is an outstanding route runner. Of course route running isn’t unique to WR... that’s just way off base with what I said initially. Running very good routes IS unique to certain WR. Is Diggs not a better route runner than other WR in football because all other WR run routes too? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say... other than poke a hole in something while simultaneously failing to understand what you’re poking a hole in. You’re entitled to your opinion that he doesn’t move the needle because of his age (seems to be your main point)... I’m not disputing that. Samuel as an option for us flew out the window after Daryl Williams was signed... so I don’t understand why people keep bringing him up like we chose Sanders over Samuel. Of course Curtis Samuel is a good player... I never said anything to the contrary... but because he’s younger (doesn’t actually matter... people just think it makes you better because they’re less familiar... perceived upside, etc.) many would be much more excited for him than they are Sanders because Samuel was a buzz name this off-season. Samuel is the new shiny toy and Sanders has been around awhile so he’s less exciting. It doesn’t make him any less valuable... he’s outperformed Samuel since Samuel entered the league. Does Samuel have more upside... yeah... we’re not going for upside it’s a 1 year deal.... we’re focused on production right now and nothing suggests that Samuel as the #2/3 option here is a better fit for us than Sanders... other than the fact he’s younger...

Sanders is 1/6 with $6.5M upside through incentives Brown is 1/3.75 with $5.5M in upside through incentives The smaller # for is flat out guaranteed... they larger number is possible based on performance.

Sanders isn’t a flashy name... that’s the whole issue with all of this. He’s always been super productive but never really THE guy in an offense... so he’s never been super hyped up. Fans are just going to react like fans when they don’t see a big name they PERCEIVE as a stud because they put up big fantasy numbers. Most couldn’t tell you about their route running ability, ability to play multiple positions, leadership qualities, separation on routes, etc BUT they can tell you they picked Emmanuel Sanders up week 13 last year and he didn’t have a great fantasy week so HE IS TRASH!