Jerome007

Yep. I try not to be too hyped up, certainly don't want to put too much pressure on Allen or play down the other QBs, but I don't recall being that excited for a player since they signed Chris Spielman! As Josh is drafted and a QB, of course it's bigger, parts of me dreams of a "franchise" dominant QB for years to come! For this season I was pessimistic for the offense because of the OL and WRs. Now I'm not. That's what a great QB brings. Not saying he is or is yet, but that's what - and I'm sure the players too - feel.

Well injuries are a factor. I sure hope nothing happens to any of our QBs or players. Allen would have to suck really bad in his reads, not using the right plays, show bad judgment or... a lot of the so called awful accuracy that naysayers like to make up. Otherwise, he has some leeway as far as one or two turnovers, depending on what happens, and one or two rookie mistake. A bit overreaching to expect perfection out of him in his 3rd time on the field in preseason! He has shown so much already that to lose his spot he has to play quite bad and Nate quite great.

Seems like it to me

So many scary stories like yours. I'm no anti-vaxer since I got one willingly, Twinrix, for Hepatitis A. I got so damn tired for 10 days in a row. Then after a week of relapse another 2 full weeks. Written like that it doesn't sound so bad but while it was happening you have no way to know how long it will last - and I was 100% healthy before! One cold in 4 years. I read on forums of tons of people getting sick (as in sick AND tired) from it. I was supposed to get 3 shots, HELL NO. And I read about a lawsuit against them for that. And at the same time, my kids' school sent a flyer about kids getting Twinrix... mentioning in one seemingly unrelated paragraph that there is no proven link between Twinrix and chronic fatigue syndrome! WTH I lost all my trust in the system that was fairly low already. Nobody listens, it's all "coincidences". A doctor did call me, but then I realized it would all go in a private file! No stats, no public data, nothing. All under the rug. Crazy. How you base your recommendations on data if the data is false?

I like to watch with many people, or with my sons, but now that my ex broke the family it's mostly by myself, no Bills Backers around where I live now Just like you I'll let pass some time, typically 40-60 minutes, and even so, I'm usually back on live viewing for the start or middle of the 4th quarter! So much ads in a game

Sitting can make sense when you sense he's not fully ready but learning in the film room and practices, when there is one or two vets with him with at least one teaching him the ropes and the like. So far Allen has shown that while he'll make rookie mistakes and have some growing pains, he is almost as ready if not as ready as the others, has more upsides, and Nate has just a few quarters of NFL experience. Anyway, this coming preseason game will likely help clarify this. Trust the process guys LOL

Times were so different. Imagine, in some of the old Tour de France water used to be like 2 bottles per race. Now it's all about performance while back in the day it was all about attrition and showing you're tough. Even past warriors had brutal rituals. I prefer how we do it today TBH!

Not many things you can do to help a guy with mental issues that won't seek help or refuse it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one that wanted him back this year and even more so after that last 1st string OL performance!

Wow. Awesome! Really is. That he starts game 1 or not, that kid has got us excited! And the way the team reacts when he's on the field, he commands respect already. THAT is winning the preseason LOL He got us excited. Game 1 with his physical skills. Game 2 with his command of the huddle, audibles, hard counts, decisions. Good stuff! Edit: I sure hope he has a great game with the 1st coming up!

You make some good points here. I disagree on the Peterman start though. It ended up quite badly but I agreed with it then. And he has made some game situation blunders... like he hasn't got a PROCESS for those. Weird. And even if they won the snow game, that punt with few minutes left in OT when a tie eliminated the Bills, I still can't grasp that one! The players saved the season that day IMO. Yet for all that I really think he's been a good coach and can be for a long time!

Let's all agree to disagree I think most of us would agree he should start preseason game #3 and play with the 1st stringers. The rest depends on a lot of things anyway. His play, Nate's play... and (hopefully not) injuries.

It's with a guy like this I wish there was more of a "hockey" mentality. It's a preseason game, pay him back! I hate the guy 's guts for the way he ended Aaron William's career. Yeah, ended it, pretty drastic, no? This one wasn't so bad TBH. I'd find no reason with another player. It's because it's HIM that makes it dirty. And because the TV interviewer basically complimented him on it and Landry was so gleaming with pride.

I think 90% of most us - make a poll maybe - would agree Allen should start preseason game #3 and play with the 1st team. The rest can be determined later.

He threw ZERO deep pass against the Browns yet his arm strength still made a difference. Impressive First preseason we were drooling at his arm strength and mobility. Physical stuff. This time it was his poise, side steps, audibles, hard counts, 2 minute drills, command of the huddle... who expected that from him and so early? Again he'll have growing pains and make dumb rookie mistakes, but he is the best of the 3, well make that 2 QBs now, with the most upside. He has to start IMO. He has a lot to learn. but what quicker way than to do so on the job? He seems tough enough mentally to handle the inevitable slumps and all, and the coaches intelligent enough to mentor him mentally and not just skill wise and physically. And it's great that Nate has shown improvement that could make him a good backup.

I kind of agree. But seriously, the Bills have been very unlucky in that 17 drought. A lot of subpar wildcard or even division winners in those 17 years. Last year they got things going their way for once. And you know what? It could happen again this year! And the Jags game was winnable for sure. The difference between winning & losing is often very small. Why do you think the Pats cheat so much? LOL

Ha ha. Yeah you make a strong case. SIT HIM FOR FIVE YEARS!!!

Nice post Red King. As far as I'm concerned the Browns are not the Bills so while I never wish anything bad and respect 99% of the player, the team itself can go down in flames LOL

Baker has looked goods in the two games. I happen to watch hen he played in the 1st one too. As for TT, I was surprised the Brown's coaching staff put so many run plays. What, they didn't want Tahrod to show some pride and upstage his old team? He did very little cause that's what the plays called for.

I tend to agree, but then you play your best players... IF, and it's a big IF, the Bills only win 4, well, play Allen so he learns for real, without undue pressure. And draft high! I say that but of course the goal is to win. It's just that it seems this season is a no lose proposition if Allen plays a lot (not necessarily from week one). Either the team wins NOW which is more fun and the goal, or they draft high next year and Allen has learned a lot. He was able to see 2 minute drill, goal line action, etc. And he handled it well. Hell the 2 minute drill - and audible and hard counts - was better than what experienced TT did in his 3 years here! So he convinced me that while he'll sure have growing pains and make dumb rookie mistakes, he's not just a big arm. He has enough wits for the position and to learn on the job!

Really? He often got hit right away. He didn't have time to hold the ball too long! Anyway, he's out for a while but I really hopes he comes back sonner than later. We need 3 QBs!

It's what I see too, and we're far from the only ones. Yet I have to disbelieve my eyes and trust that professional coaches that are with them daily know better. But it's hard to distrust one's own eyes LOL

It's true they looked good in the 1st game. They were so bad last night I forgot about it! How is that possible? Sure the opponents differ but come on. And for the OP, the O Line is discussed in all the threads I've looked.

Since neither Nate nor AJ have shown to outclass Allen, why not start him? If it were still TT, sure. But IMO at least have Allen start this week 3. I would have liked too to have him groomed but he's as ready (or not) as the other two QBs which is now down to one anyway... He'll learn more by playing than watching Nate who is only a 2nd year guy with less than 2 games of NFL experience. And I like that Nate seems a quality backup as with that OLine play we might see all 3 QBs this year no matter who starts first!

Mayfield is more NFL ready yet will be backup. Allen should be our starter just because he is the better QB out of the 3. Not by a lot mind you, but with the obvious upsides and "it" factor, the only reason I'd put him at #2 is that OLine will get whoever is there killed! Even Shady!

Both the starting OLine and DLine gave reasons for us to be scared... to say nothing of whichever QB gets the #1 spot. The 2nd and 3rd units did well, but the 1st were pushed around bad.