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No man, he's slow... can't separate. We needed a 6'1 170 pound receiver that is so good that our GM traded out of the spot instead of taking him.

Was this enough in the pre-season last year? -Rashee Rice -MVS -Skyy Moore -Kadarius Toney -Justyn Ross -Justin Watson -Montrell Washington People need to relax. We have Josh Allen. We lost a guy in our room that did nothing the last 6 weeks of the year. We lost a blocking WR. We still have Josh Allen. This year is going to hinge heavily on Joe Brady, IMO.

This ... Jacksonville's room is hilarious. We at least have upside even without our pick thats about to come in. Baltimore's isn't good. The Jets have Conklin and a dude that is more injured than anyone in the league. The problem with Buffalo sports fans is ... if it's not a big name, they're not good(to most people). People want Higgins and he has been SOOO average. It's weird. We have Josh Allen. The Chiefs won a SB with MVS and Rashee Rice who wasn't anything special. Samuel is an exceptional football player that has never had a QB and has injury history. Shakir is literally the same size as Diggs and runs faster (just has shorter arms and he was a 5th round pick in his second year of development).... we'll be fine.

This is my list too.

Right but if you can't beat man, you can't beat the Chiefs. The Bills play 98% zone (just ball parking because it's a lot) and we can't beat a starting QB in the playoffs. We have not beaten a team above the 5 seed. You need to effectively play man in some capacity to win.

Just gotta scroll man.. it has all their routes vs man and vs zone. Diggs ran 168 routes vs man and had 26 catches.... just control F 26

Right right, sorry. Played* Wish that was the case 3 years ago lol

YES! This is all I'm saying about small guys and Worthy (especially in the first round).. DUDE give me Coleman over Worthy ALLL fkin day. Id rather have him than the Chiefs have him. Puka was a late pick, ran slow for 40 but was fastest in the drill where you run in a straight line, turn your head, catch passes(think they call it the gauntlet). Coleman was fastest through that at combine this year. Plays a lot faster than his straight line speed. He can make contest catches, he's a tough SOB. Unfortunately for the Bills, Snead plays for KC or we'd have 1 or 2 championships. Snead just abuuuuused Diggs man. It was very hard to watch.

I shared a link that has his routes ran and catches against man... actually, the whole NFL.

Italicized: I am not disputing that. He was great. Until he played the Chiefs, Sneed just OWNED him man... unfortunately. And I agree. However, we need a bigger body IMO (which is why im SO against Worthy for this team..i don't dislike worthy, i dislike him for this team in it's current state) to win off the line and make contested catches. It's been a lot time since we've had a WR make contested catches regularly (outside of Diggs 2 years ago).

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-wr-report-man-zone-coverage-performance-nfl-week-17-2023#BUF This is going in to Week 17 of last year... obv it's for fantasy stuff but they have his routes and catches last year... Please share your link. Here's more to rebut your claim.

168 routes and 26 catches does not seem the best to me..........

Where did you see the bolded? We are agreeing on the italicized.. It is not about size. You have to move in a phone booth Diggs ran 168 routes against Man last year and had 26 catches... thats top 7 in the NFL?

Did.... you uhh.. did you watch the Chiefs game? And Z WR's are not just outside "off the ball"........................? YIKES

I keep saying Diggs couldn't get off the line to the other poster who used Diggs as an example of a WR good against man... and he simply wasn't last few years. I never said that i'm against drafting the next Diggs... at all? Diggs is 6'1 200 something pounds. I'm talking purely football on the field. Small WR's do not have an advantage at getting off the line as this guy suggested. There is literally a position for small receivers to move freely and be off the ball.... for a reason. There is a reason Kupp and Edelmen, and all of the small quick guys play in the slot...... it's because they can't get off the ball.

That is patently false. Again, just because your big or just because you're quick does NOT mean you are better/ worse at getting off the line. His sentiment was, smaller guys are harder to press at the line and it's just false. You named a few. Diggs could NOT get off the line last year. Lockett (plays slot a lot), AB, and Marvin Harrison are three of the best EVER at beating man coverage. So you pick some of the best ever as an average? Jefferson is 205 pounds... thats not a small dude IN ANY CAPACITY ... His sentiment is false. You beat people off the line by being able to move in a phone booth very quickly and having leverage and strength.. Brother... you are comparing one of the best route runners ever to a blocking WR..... Now do AB vs Julio.... We are not talking about generational players.. no generational player is easy to jam off the line. He compared AB to Gabe LOL.... If you are looking at the average WR, there is an OBVIOUS reason why small / quick guys play the slot.... its because *gasp* they have room to make a move off the line because they can't get jammed. Why doesnt AJ Brown play in the slot? OHHH because he can beat man coverage off the ball.

So Diggs was ABUSED at the line against the Chiefs..... known for his technique and route running. He's also 6 ft 1 and 200 pounds.. he's no twig. Easiest guys to jam are little guy off the line.. Small quick guys work out of the slot and in motion for a reason. Just because you're quick, doesn't mean you can move in a 1 yard box... . CB's line up within 1 yard of you if you're not off the ball or in the slot. If you're small, you're getting jammed before you move by longer arms, physical guys that punch you in the chest before you take a step. HORRIBLE take. Again, that's why small guys are used in motion and out of the slot......OFF the ball So to your rationale, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, DK, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, are easy to jam? L ... O .... L

Thats a VERY steep price for a team that has DJ Moore, KA, Kmet and the ability to get a younger play maker to develop behind the two. For some reason, people CLAMOR over Tee Higgins and he has been the most average WR since he came in to the league and he can't stay healthy. He's never hit 75 catches, he has had 1091 and 1029 as his career highs and never more than 7 TDs in a year. Giving up #9 for that guy.... seems like lunacy. Not to mention, Cinci giving up that much to move up 9 spots is even worse.

Did you watch the Bills/ Chiefs game? We get abused at the line every time we play them. have you watched the Chiefs / Spags play at all? They would probably disagree heavily here.

EXACTLY.. Tyreek is put together like a brick sh** house.

That’s what their O did all year… think you’re proving my point? It’s not about speed speed speed.

He won’t because he can’t get off the line. He is not Davanta off the line. Davanta is special off the line which is why he’s having a good few years. Evaluation of talent bubba.

He isn’t Kelce yet. He can be. He isn’t yet. I agree on kelce but to look at his numbers in the play offs.

I would consider Kelce the Chiefs #1. Yes, you do. We don’t have Kelsey at TE, yet. Again if we had a dominate #1 or a Kelce… I’d be all for the worthy pick. We don’t have that. No ones doing that bud. But go ahead.

If we had a bonafide #1. A big bodied guy, Worthy would be PERFECT. But we already have small guys. We do not need Worthy. We need a #1