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So I will post this for reference again. Who does Josh most resemble in style of play and progress made in Year 1? Granted a different era but Elway was on better team that went 4-1 with Steve DeBerg as starter and made playoffs. Elway started 10 game and went 4-6. 47.5 % Completion ratio (more downfield throwing then, but so are most of Josh's too) Threw for 7 TDs vs 14 INTs. Ran 28 times for 146 yds and 1 TD. He was more of a scrambler (behind the line) than Josh. Sack Rates, INT rates, fumble rates and TD Rates are similar. Food for thought. Elway Passing No. ▼ Player Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 7 John Elway 23 QB 11 10 4-6-0 123 259 47.5 1663 7 2.7 14 5.4 49 6.4 4.5 13.5 151.2 54.9 28 218 5.03 3.33 9.8 Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table Elway Rushing No. Player Age Pos G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb 7 John Elway 23 QB 11 10 28 146 1 23 5.2 13.3 2.5 28 5.2 146 1 6 Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table Allen Passing YTD Year ▲ Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 2018 22 BUF QB 17 9 8 3-5-0 119 227 52.4 1429 5 2.2 9 4.0 75 6.3 5.0 12.0 158.8 62.8 55.1 26 195 4.88 3.67 10.3 Allen Rushing YTD Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year ▲ Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb 2018 22 BUF QB 17 9 8 66 490 5 45 7.4 54.4 7.3 1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0% 66 7.4 490 5 7

He is a stud. And a "cousin" of Tredavious White - who helped get him to commit to LSU. just sayin?

I am confused. In our nickel package Zo plays on the DLine as an end or DT and rushes passer. Bills nickel Scheme has Taron Johnson as nickel DB who subs for SAM. Bush and Neal do as well. the scheme also brings Poyert or Hyde down in box based on formation of offense. Don't see this as a need. Maybe a backup for Milano - low priority.

Josh was not on the field with team at start of 2nd half and was late coming out of tunnel as was being medically evaluated/treated at half time. May have caused the confusion after turnover

Like many of you I am disappointed in how 2018 has played out. OBD seriously overestimated the talent pool at QB, OL and WR on the 2018 Bills and man have us fans had to pay for it in multiple blowouts (Ravens, Chargers, Packers, Colts, Bears) and losing close ones (Texans, Fins and Jets). I'm hoping Bills can go 2-1 in last 3 and also experiment with the lineup as well. So with that said, here's what I's like to see for balance of the year: Personnel Shut down Shady at RB and go with Ford and Murphy as backs 2 and 3. Assumes Ivory can still go. Move Miller and Mills to the bench and play Boettger at RG and McDermott at RT. Get Croom healthy and back in lineup at #1 TE with Thomas as backup. Shut down Clay. If Max protect use 6 OL as they did earlier in the year and Jets did for Darnold yesterday. Coaching - Hot seat in descending order! Off season moves that should be made. Crossman - ST - Neal and the other new DBs really missed the KR on kickoffs repeatedly - and when first guy missed no outside contain. HS stuff. FG gaffes all year and poor PR and Punt coverage all year as well. Castillo - OLine/Running Game - His OL suffers from the deadly trio. Lack of talent and foot speed combined with poor coaching. These guys can't reach block, pull or power block with leverage in the running game. In pass blocking it's evident that the left side of line handles stunts poorly to date. A new combo on right side may be a liability in pass pro as well given newness. Castillo was a carryover from 2017 staff and it is plainly clear it wasn't warranted. Terrie Robiskie - WR - he is at the end of the line and as I really believe the Bills will have 3-4 new WRs next year it might make sense for Daboll to bring in his own new NFL guy here. What personnel changes would you like to see in last 3 games? And what coaches (McD excluded as sure he will be brought back) would you show the door!

In most of the long runs in MIA game, Fins were in man D with Bills in empty set with 5 wide. WRs are running outs from inside or deep curls outside with someone down the seam. No crossres or digs where the LBs would be in short zone. Means the middle of field is wide open for QB to run.

8. Oct. 17, 1988 — Bills 37, Jets 14 Jets get thrashed by the Bills but the story is in the Giants Stadium stands where unruly fans brawled, threw beer on the field and even set fires. The chaos prompts the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority to ban alcohol sales at night games and limit tailgating to three hours before kickoff. That's why Jets Fans come to New Era Field. Cuz da Bills ruined it for youse guys!

Not in agreement with priorities in your draft and as you had no FAs listed am left wondering if you think Bills OGs and OTs are OK. Love played in only 10 games this year and YPC were down by 45% from 8.1 in 2017 to 4.5 in 2018. TDs were down 67% from 19 in 2017 50 6 in 2018. You like him why? As for Mustipher he is small, short limbed and and listed as 10th best C prospect - likely could be a priority FA signing - no way he is a 2nd rounder. Will stop there as not even aware of other players being named here.

KB may change his name to KFC or Popeye's based on extra lbs and greasy fingers exhibited here

Amen to that John!

Reposted here Bill have won 7 of last 10 since 2013 season. Fins swept series in 2016 - Rex's last year. Seems they struggle versus a 4-3 D like what McD and Schwartz run. Kelly era Bills went 17-8 versus Fins counting playoff games. Since Kelly retired Bills hold 22-20 regular season series advantage with one playoff loss (Flutie red Zone Sack/fumble) after 1998 season. It's actually been pretty even over last 21 years. I picked a split in my season record pick at start of year and still see it that way. We lose there and win at home.

We have won 7 of last 10 since 2013 season. They swept us in 2016 - Rex's last year. Seems they struggle versus a 4-3 D like what McD and Schwartz run. Kelly era Bills went 17-8 versus Fins counting playoff games. Since Kelly retired Bills hold 22-20 regular season series advantage with one playoff loss (Flutie red Zone Sack/fumble) after 1998 season. It's actually been pretty even over last 21 years. I picked a split in my season record pick at start of year and still see it that way. We lose there and win at home.

It was a 36 yd toss to Deonte Thompson that safety got in and punched out. Thompson could have hand caught it and turned back to safety to protect ball better

OP, quick read of title led me to believe we were putting a hit out on him.

Not a fan of Bell move as noted elsewhere in thread. If we sign Barr does he play SAM? Assuming Lorenzo is shown the door then? A lot of $$ for a player who plays 2 downs as Edmunds/Milano are the Nickle LBs. Gaines is an IR spot waiting to happen - in STL, here and CLE. Roby is the 87th ranked CB in league and has been a disaster this year in DEN - pass. Austin = McKenzie, don't see the need for added expense. As for Draft I would be OK with it. Believe between FA and Draft you are forgetting RT as a 1st/2nd day need.

Thanks for the Pro personnel and draft prospects heads up. I don't drill down on that until season ends. McKenzie is too small to play RB as is only 5'7" and weighs 175 lbs soaking wet.

Wow I missed that, thanks for posting. I will amend my take to this; OBD will not put a fully guaranteed $54mm-60mm 3 year deal on the table for reasons noted previously. Bell was picked 48th in draft (mid 2nd) and David Johnson and Kareem Hunt were taken at pick 86 in the 3rd. Have to believe a Shady replacement (who will have Shady alongside them in RB room in 2019) can be found in the draft next spring. OL, WR, DL and CB are bigger needs than RB

Let's deal in reality here. Bell wants $40mm guaranteed up front. No team will give a 27 year old player (who hasn't played this year) taht much - this is where the Suspension risk and Agent Issues kill him. BTW here is Sammy's deal. Sammy Watkins signed a 3 year, $48,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $21,000,000 signing bonus, $30,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,000,000. And besides turning down the $14.5mm Franchise Tag deal, Bell also said no to the following. According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, the Steelers' 10/5 offer to Bell included $47 million over three years with a $10 million roster bonus that would have been paid out soon after signing the deal. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported in July that Pittsburgh made an offer to Bell worth up to $70 million over five years and included more than $30 million over the first two years.

Shaw - great summary as usual. I think it's always easier for a right handed QB to throw the ball to his left on bubble screens. When Josh has to open his hips up to throw short right, there seems to be some footwork issues that make those plays difficult. Teams will scout tendencies so McD and team need to get him over this hole in his game.

I think the issue is the Punter. Bills have 3 under contract but only the worst one is able to play right now due to injury

Doug, hope you banked that $4mm cuz you may be out of a job soon.

Shady hasn't served 2 drug suspensions already and isn't facing 10 games for a future positive test. IMHO no way Bell gets a long term deal at the $$ he wants and OBD won't be in bidding anyways

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If you have a chance, look at Elway in 1983 - that is who Allen resembles most in style of play and results Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV 1983 23 DEN QB 7 11 10 4-6-0 123 259 47.5 1663 7 2.7 14 5.4 49 6.4 4.5 13.5 151.2 54.9 28 218 5.03 3.33 9.8 1 1 Today the kid had no turnovers and no sacks versus the 4th ranked D in the league - while throwing and running for a TD. 3-2 record in his complete games too.

I'm puzzled. Did you watch this game and the playoff game? Today Allen was 8/18 for 160 yds. No Sacks, No INTs and threw a TD pass for 90 Rating. Also ran 11 times (not counting 2 kneel downs) for >100 yds and a TD. QB rating of 90. 2/3 for red zone TD percentage. In playoffs last year Tyrod was 17/37 for 13 yds, 2 sacks for -15 yds, 1 INT and 0 Tds for a QB rating of 44.8. 7 rushes for 28 yds and failed to get team in end zone all day espite Bills having first and goal at Jags 1 yd line. Want to know why we let Tyrod go? For games like last year's playoff game. Got us in red zome only 1 time and failed to get TD. I don't think Josh plays like Taylor at all. Today, against a loaded defense he played well and delivered big plays when we needed them. Tyrod never did that. And please don't make me do a similar exercise with Josh vs. Bortles.