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The Senior bowl and Combne are not going to really change his evaluations. Imo he has generation arm like Rodgers, Stafford, Marino, Farve. He is a major reason why Wyoming had its first back to back winning seasons in 30 years. Senior bowl and combine will be on interviews and his dedication to football. I think he will do as well as anyone. Big, strong arm Qb makes alot of sense for Cleveland and that division.

When Brady cant take advantage. Brady has been fantastic of taking the benfit of 50/50 penalty and turning them into 6. Many teams have gotten lucky penalties or bad calls the differance is Brady scores Tds when other teams get Fgs. You cannot play NE not to lose as well. All said and done up 3 55 secs left in first have why dont you try to get atleast a fg.

So you wanted Kizer and are a superior elevator. No one knows what Manziel would have become if he didn't have a drinking problem and wasnt a C level internet celebrity. Everyone has had misses and hits it is irrelevant. If you like or dislike a prospect explain your position and that is where conversations happen. Some people see and like different things in Qbs. Some people only see the guys who are on the first 15 mins of Sportscenter Saturday or Sunday morning. I agree I like Allen, saying you liked Kizer and didnt like Manziel doesnt do anything with the conversation about Allen. Do you like Allen because of his arm strength and size? Is that why you like Kizer and not Manziel? The reason i like Allen and his ability to make 30 yard throws and dropping them in a bucket or launching a missile of a throw in a three foot window down the seem like Rodgers, Farve or Marino.

Its an interesting discussion but at the end of the day Jordan never lost in the Finals. In his prime there was never a discussion if he was the best shooting guard in the league. He is talked about the best player ever. No one is saying Tom Brady is the best football player ever. There have been 2 more prolific Qbs during Bradys career. Manning and Brees both have better numbers across the board. Brady is probably closet to Jordan in any sport in terms of clutch. The overall body on record is not close.

He acted and starting performing like a nobody. If he was playing to the same level he was signed at this would be a non story. You can get away with all the other stuff if Sunday's for 3 hours you are one of the best players on the field. When you are not meeting your performance expectations the other things become a problem. He has steadily declined in performances for 2 years and his diva tactics wore bare.

That is why the time is now. There are actually 4 legit Qb prospects not a year where there is none. Buffalo will even be a friendly landing spot for a Qb.

Literally, Buffalo could make one of the larger packages seen in recent years to move up and have a full complaint of picks for the remaining rounds in 2018 all while not cannibalizing the 2019 draft to do so.

With the compliment of picks Buffalo has they are not mortgaging the farm. They are using the return on an investment and not touching the farm.

If they turn out to be Wentz or Goeff it is not enough

The success of Tre White really diminishes the value of the extra first rounder. It is really extra and moe complementary to the player they drafted last year. They also have an extra Second rounder and if Gaines is retained that is truely anextra 2nd. Both 1's one of the 2's and next year 2nd or 3rd makes it happen. Buffalo would have much better Qb prospect the franchise has had since Kelly. Buffalo still would have a complement of 7 picks this year. They can make a big package and not be stuck with a draft were you got a Qb and nothing. They can get a franchise caliber Qb and 2 potential day 1 starters and use the cap space to fill the holes on the roster. It makes complete sense to me.

I agree with both of you. I dont expect to land Cousins so I would be pissed if any of these mocks is how the first rd went. These only work if Buffalo lands Cousins. IMO Buffalo has two options this offseason, sign Cousins or trade up for a top 4 Qb. Rosen, Darnold, Allen, or Mayfield. Outside of those outcomes the QB position is still stagnant and Buffalo will not have the the picks and capital to make a move up the board for a Qb after this year. There is a chance that any of the top 4 picks could be had. Two are highly likely Indy and one of the Cleveland picks. The other team is the Giants and there new GM is Gettleman just so happens to be Beane's mentor. They need a massive Oline up grade we got a LT on the outs and 2 early 20 picks where you can get the best guard and right tackle.

I expect an extension with Benjamin. Glenn, Taylor, and Hughes are all on the block. Hughes probably cut, Taylor traded or cut, Glenn traded. If they sign cousins I think you keep Glenn and have 2 solid tackles. 21 and 22 defense. Mike and Dt. Second rd I go Rb and speed Wr or athletic Te. FA is going to set the tone of the draft. There are 2 ways they go Cousins and Draft to fix the roster. No Cousins a few more Vetran Defenders and Draft capital used to be aggressive for a Qb coming out.

IF they do not land Cousins they best trade up for a Qb.

If they trade up all that way for a MLB i may be done with the team lol. Get a stinking Qb not some flyer in the middle rounds.

We are not talking runningbacks here. The no tread is a cute way of saying inexperienced. I dont trust Qbs when a team is willing to trade them within their own division. Cleveland was offering a hefty price but still.

It is an intersting dilema. Teams that are a qb away do not have enough room for a 20 to 30 mil cap hit for a qb. When you pay Cousins that amount of money your roster is going to suffer. Is he a qb that will push his team through with less than ideal circumstances. Its a legitament question. He hasnt shown that with the redskins.

Good Jay cutler is better than any Qb play Buffalo has had since Kelly. Rosen is the best passer of the football in the draft. He isnt big but as a pro athlete he has time and room to add muscle to his frame. His frame is a bit of a concern. The concussion thing is even larger a concern to me. If he passes the medicals and background checks and is willing to add some muscle i would go all in on Rosen. Yes i would to that for any of the three QBs Rosen, Allen, o Darnold. Imo they are a step above Jackson and Mayfield. Those 2 would be my plan c. Unable to get Cousins or Luck i would look to move to in to the top 3 or 4. unable to secure a trade i would look to move up a spot or 2 to land Mayfield or Jackson. I am not that high on Mayfield but like the potential Jackson would have.

Like him or hate him I understand his thinking. Normally they set it up for McShay to just go right at him when they are contradicting each other. The truth is both feel Allen has the highest potential with the most natural tools than any Qb. Darnold and Rosen both have their flaws so it is not obscene for Cleveland to go with the northern Qb with the thickest frame and strongest arm. This also would be what Buffalo needs to get Rosen or Darnold.

Rosen gets knocked for his size. Rosen is not going to make his living outside the pocket like Jackson.

Im not doubting his talent. To me he has the highest potential in the draft next to Allen. To me they are 1A and 1B. Its not really a critism but not sure how the current staff would rate him. Maybe Mcdermott didnt trust his scouting staff last year to take a qb idk. My opionion if they didnt like Watson they wont like Jackson.

So if you didnt like watson enough to draft him why would you draft Jackson? That was my origanal statement.

Athletic, prolific passers from spread offenses. Both less than ideal size. Seems to me if you are not sold on Watson you are less sold on Jackson. Jackson is the better runner, Watson was the more refined passer.

Comes down to how hard of a worker Jackson is. His biggest comparison is to Vick. If he has that ability but is a worker you are onto something. Its rare that someone with that talent will also be the hardest worker. Maybe Buffalo gets him at 21 and he plays the rest of his career with that Randy Moss sized chip on his shoulder. Again imo if they passed on Watson idk how high they woukd be on him.

Bridgewater wouldnt be a bad pickup if Taylor is released or traded. He is similar to Taylor but imo he has more potential. I would still go hard for a qb in the draft. The only qb they bring in that is not making me go hars for a qb would be Cousins.

I would trade up. They didnt want Watson cant imagine they are high on Jackson.