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Ironically he is on pace for the best year statistically since 2020 passing. It is why the eye test matters more to me then the stats, I thought last year was actually Joshs best year as they took a lot of body blows and regardless of turnovers he got them through it. To me he is pressing a bit too hard and things have gone sideways in a way he has not faced since 2019. The offense seems to actively trying to evolve for some reason to be more balanced and he has been far more a pocket passer this year then I can ever remember prior. He still is a freak breaking tackles and making plays exist that normally don't, but there seems to be a forced effort to not run 20 yards and pass for 10 or throw it away. When the offense was running hot weeks 2-4 it wasn't an issue and the evolution seemed fine. But the last three weeks have been a step back and I think they have gone a bit too far with keeping him safe and in the pocket vs letting him play. Truthfully Josh is at his best when he is a dual threat and willing to take a guy on. Week 1 may have spooked him in a season he was already moving away from being as aggressive running it. Maybe this is just part of his evolution and by the back half of the season this is a road bump as they find the stride they had weeks 2-4 or maybe the offense as a whole needs a rescheme and going back to the most successful parts of 2020-22. To me the answer is probably more towards the middle by loosening and letting Josh play a little more free and utilizing 11 personnel which josh seems to like more while having a more targeted rushing attack when you run.

Because everyone else hasn't had two weeks in a row vs inferior opponents where they played this bad. The Bills strength since Josh arrived in 2019 has been their offense and the ability to be dynamic regularly on offense. They have 10 total pts in the 1st half of the last three games combined. No other team has lost three pro bowl players either of that bunch creating a greater emphasis for the offense to do even more. If you really are at the point your trying to defend them at this time and can't see the issues that are there, I don't know what to tell you.

I could see them win comfortably against TB 27-13 in terms of score but you just sit here and go yea ok I guess.. and then go to CIN and win by 7 and everyone is at a loss on what the heck to think. Football is weird, seasons have phases and major ups and downs so I do understand that to an extent. But the offense is the piece no one feels good as like you said Miami felt amazing and now feels like a mirage. This stems back to last season where when the offense is hot the team is good, but they are so streaky and up and down AND now this season the variance is even larger. IDK I am generally a glass half full guy but the check engine light feels like it is at least on and we are closer to major changes come offseason then how we retool for a longer playoff run.

Currently Buffalo is the 7th seed at 4-3 with a 2-3 conference record and 1-2 divisional record. The next four games give three AFC games and one NFC game with 3 of 4 at home. If Buffalo truly is thinking their a playoff team then at minimum they need to go 3-1 which would get them to 7-4 entering Philly. Even with a loss in CIN they would at least be 4-4 in conference and 2-2 in division. Not great by any means but you at least give yourself a chance at the back end and based on how the rest of the AFC is just chaos after KC/BAL/MIA you probably are sitting relatively safe in a playoff spot. But they have removed any chance of error in the next four games and the pressure is on to the max.

They are a game back but that also requires then Buffalo BEATING PHI which right now is impossible to see so they are 2 games back minimum. At this current juncture they are decidedly average 100% and based off the first 7 games 100% could miss the playoffs or barely squeak in and get torched. None of that is good. The potential does exist for them to be the team you saw against MIA, but they need to prove A LOT before I think any of us believe that again.

Just gonna note they had an atrocious day on O today also. I think he’s tremendous and I would be really intrigued

I’m sorry but I just don’t see it. The collective talent and cohesiveness in 21’ is above anything put out this year. I’m sure the D will get righted to some extent and the offense stops sleepwalking through the 1st half, but the fundamental issues are larger and more severe now.

But you’re not replacing that. The defense only can handle so much attrition and the talent across the board isn’t as high as 21’ because you have to pay 17. Not complaining he does a ton and he prob can do enough to make the playoffs. But the circumstances are vastly different this go around.

Problem with comparing to 21’ is the health and age of the team was vastly different. Tre went out, but the rest of the D was healthy and the team itself was 2 years younger. I can see the offense doing enough mostly because of 17 to drag them to the wildcard. But where in 21’ the talent was there to be scared of them, that is decidedly not the case now

I need the Bills to win the SB 13-3 like NE did vs the Rams a few years back just so I can see how long it takes for someone to say the offense wasn't good enough and Dorsey needs to leave.... despite winning the SB lol

Bills 28 Patriotic Football People 14 No slow start for Buffalo this week as they go back to back drives to go up 14-0 behind a Cook 20 yard TD run and a Kincaid TD from 3 yards out. The Patriots put together a long drive and score a TD to Bourne with 3 minutes left in the first half to make it 14-7. Allen and crew though go down the field and Josh runs in a TD from 5 yards out with 10 seconds left to give Buffalo a 21-7 lead which they never release. Buffalo gets a TD late in the 3rd on a Diggs slant from 4 yards out to cruise to a 28-7 lead and while NE gets one more TD mid 4th quarter, the Bills cost despite a Bass FG miss late. Allen 22-29 301 yds 2 TDs 17 yards rush 1 TD Cook 87 yds 11 att 1 TD Davis 94 yds 7 rec

Well put. It is tough to because odds are they will eventually break through but you've basically had three years of missed opportunities which long term you look at and just go dang we could've had another shot. On the flipside historically it is really difficult to get back and the Bengals with Burrow you wonder how many chances they even get. The last QB who lost his first SB and then won down the road was Elway. If you win you can get some more cracks as Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Mahomes etc.. have showed over the last two decades, but history is not kind to those who lose the first time in. On a complete side note if I was a Packer fan I'd be having some huge issues knowing Rodgers only got one ring and they had that many shots they missed after. To this day if you told me back in 2010 after he won that he never would make it back with GB I wouldn't have believed you. Sports are really weird.

I have said McD has two years. If this year they make the AFC title I think he is safe for probably the foreseeable future regardless of result. But if the Bills can't make it there and lose early again with the offense not fully finding its way I 100% think 2024 would have a lot riding on his future. You do not change coaches unless you have a candidate you legitimately can be better, but the window is real with Josh and I have figured they have to about 2030 which Josh is 33 before you really see the frame moving. If you move on whoever you have is getting the last bunch of years with Allen in his prime still so you better damn well be sure it truly is the move.

Chris Trapasso said watching it back Dorsey needs to learn run/pass balance quicker. He said once he found it the offense opened up. I think that is why the last two weeks compared to the prior 3 the offense took so long. Jags game it felt like we wanted to run and they aimed to shut it down, Giants we wanted to pass and once we switched things improved. Mix in some bad drops, penalties, and miscues like the fumble its a bad recipe if your slow to the gun.

Haha I am 35 but I listen to literally everything from the 1950s on and all genres. I do happen to be a big Bruce Springsteen fan and his more folky stuff opened me to a lot of other portions of folk.

lol it actually is a play on joke on a song by Pete Seeger "Where Have All The Flowers Gone". Long story short it is an anti war song, but in this context it fit for the title.

Agreed. I am very curious how they do against CIN because both games last year the O line looked over matched for a multitude of reasons. This year they are clearly better and they also seem to have a bit more of edge

def feels like getting a good lineman is luck so much anymore. I get why Beane ow is skittish to let Brown go after Teller ended up becoming great.

Just saying the rough the passer call on Allen was pretty weak... NE after their run from 01-04 was pretty tired looking in the following two seasons as some guys aged out and they retooled a bit. KC reminds me of that where they are still incredibly good, but their not the level on offense they were from 2018-22. I still never sleep on them and unfortunately their schedule is pretty weak so I feel the 1 seed might still be theirs unless LAC can win finally against them and BUF/CIN/MIA/PHI can get a few defeats on them down the road.

This in factually wrong. Go to other teams boards and fan bases after a loss who we consider equal to like KC/SF and the sentiment is real. Truth is when your a fan of a team and watch weekly you know your team better then most and know what their peak play is and what their crap is. I think when your team is good year in year out you remember the high standard and anything less is failure. To me that isn't a bad attitude necessarily as much as just years of play being at a certain point. Conversely I felt during the drought days I was so use to the team being bad, when they were good I was almost surprised and waiting for the other shoe to drop. I do not at all disagree that they were not prepared, but I think your other good teams the fans feel the same way. I have a post up on offenses being down across the league, I am sure KC fans are not thrilled with how their offense looks. Their saving grace is the SB's they've won and amount of success during that. I have a few Raven peeps I know who they are beyond annoyed with their team because it feels like they only play 3-4 games a year their at their best.

Bills mafia is currently finishing burning down after another lack luster performance by the offense that thankfully this time did result in a win. Overall the Bills are fine, odds are like the last few years they are in their mid season shakes and I would expect that they will have more good days then bad even with the schedule coming up. Allen is having the best season of his career passing and 17 always gives hope even if the coaching staff has some dreadful days/decisions at times. But this post is not fully dedicated to just the Bills right now. If it feels like this NFL season offenses are sluggish, games you expected as shootout's aren't, and that even the most consistent offenses are not what they have been your 100% correct. Points scored per team each game is at 21.7 which would be the lowest since 2017 which was also 21.7 ppg and before that 2009 when it was 21.5 ppg. Of the top 5 offenses in ppg in 2022 only DET/BUF are actually averaging more PPG with DET up 1.4 ppg and Buffalo .4 ppg while KC/PHI/DAL down anywhere from .7 ppg DAL to 4.7 ppg KC. We are 6 games in so we are no longer at a small sample size and while I would expect teams like KC/CIN to probably find a higher gear this season, overall offenses across the NFL have had their fair share of struggles to some truly dreadful performances across the board. Is season an anomaly? Probably to some extent, since the change in rules on QB hits post 2008 when Brady got his knee tore up, the average in ppg has went from 20-21 ppg pre 2009 to 22-23 ppg with NFL offenses peaking at 24.8 ppg in the 2020 season. 2020 it was said offenses had the edge as stadiums were quieter, with no pre season defenses actually had to figure themselves out as the season went whereas smart offense minds could throw out some pretty exotic plans without a match, and you saw mesh of young elite QBs rising at once with Mahomes/Allen/Lamar/Burrow/Hurts/Herbert and older vets like Brady/Rodgers have career years. But besides 2020 from 2018 through 2021 teams were averaging over 23 ppg across the board, so 2020 while maybe inflated a little also was just the genesis of some truly wonderful offensive play. So what the heck has happened? A few major changes in the game have altered landscapes and the ease of offense: D coordinators this year all have not only embraced the cover 2 shell to stop being beat over the top with ease, but the bend not break model on defense is your best friend against an elite QB. They are going to make their plays, but if you force them to have to earn it and add a few more plays per drive you giving yourself an opportunity for a turnover, penalty, or sack also. The cover 2 shell change in 2021 that forced the elite QBs to adjust a bit no longer is just a band aid for defenses, it has been weaponized now. The young QBs who took the offense explosion by force in 2018 are now paid and talent now is spread across more lineups. Tyreek Hill is probably the gold example of a player leaving because of the $ because they couldn't afford him. Hurts still has some time left, but the rest of the new guard has sizable contracts that force you to pick who you pay and how you draft. Best way forever to beat a great QB is a pass rush. The talent at pass rusher whether DE/LB that has entered the league the past few years is absolutely wild. Teams are finding ways to pressure QBs better then ever while not sending the house and leaving a quality amount of players in the secondary. Defenses have adjusted to the mobile nature that todays QBs have brought to the table. Aaron Rodgers was the alpha for many years compared to Manning/Brady/Big Ben of a guy who could make water into wine. Russell Wilson was probably the other good example of this, but Mahomes/Allen/Lamar all entered with 2 years of each other followed by Hurts recently and Burrow/Herbert are no slouches either. Offenses had the advantage for quite a while as new fun and exciting schemes took precedent and defenses had to catch up. While now defenses have caught up as far more tape exists at this point on the best ways to stop these guys. Additionally while its great to see Lamar or Josh run 50 yards, longevity wise you'd rather them pass until it gets to a point it really matters. Teams have become very hesitant to play guys in preseason out of risk of injury but as more star offensive players don't play it also is taking offenses longer to get up to speed. There is no perfect answer to this, 2020 showed with no preseason it is a far more even playing field out of the get go but I truthfully would take a slow month so I have a full season vs losing my starter. Finally teams have embraced running the ball a bit again as the caliber of talent coming out yearly is allowing for groups of backfields that can move the ball cheaply and conversely allow lesser teams to run the clock more against higher powered opponents. I strongly doubt we ever see the halcyon days of running the ball 60-40 to pass, but it does seem to be more of a point of emphasis for the first time in a long while. While last night was slog at points I would encourage you to look more broadly at the league in general outside of Miami (as wonderkid McDaniel is doing some pretty cool stuff and still has cap run right now) because the teams that have been your standard for the last bunch of years all across the board are having issues at different points. Normally offenses have the edge in Sept/Oct before it flips Nov on, but that just has not been the way this year. On the flipside it is very possible teams like KC/BUF/CIN all hit their stride in the back half of the year on offenses and the fireworks are quite steady as the potential is there with each QB. But this is probably going to end up as one of those weird years that everyone looks back at as either a demarcation point in how defenses started attacking offenses and they got the edge for once, or the culmination of many years of of great offense play having a clunker instead.

lol I guess congrats boys on correctly predicting the Bills would give everyone heart attacks for 3 hrs

Agreed

Respectfully I'd argue McVay is a little superior to Shanahan. I think Shanahan offensively is a better brain, but McVays results to me are more impressive and he has a ring plus another appearance. Kyle has 28-3 on his record which is a crappy but real blemish. Plenty of time for it to change, but McVay I think has done more at this point and truthfully comes off a little more likeable. That said I would've been very curious to have seen what Kyle would've done in Buffalo when they interviewed him.

haha I think that is def cool although the data supports Purdy is at least a top 10 guy at this point. There is a reallyyy interesting situation though of whether it is the talent/system or if the QB is thee guy right now. I think it is a blend of both