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Just gonna say if you praise the Rams remember Les Snead has been GM since 2012 and he had a lotttt of misses until they moved to LA and even after that there were some moves that failed. I do think Beane is a top 10 gm as the hit rate for GMs with the draft itself is basically 33% over time and much more of the GM job is finding talent late or in FA along with managing the cap. The other thing is GMs a lot of times get a grocery list of sorts on what the head coach wants and goes shopping for that. I do not like Beane's arrogance with the WR spot this year and I would like him to admit to it by trading for help. I believe Peter King had a thing or it was Barnwell on the top drafted classes over the last 15 years and the Bills 2018 class was like top 3 in terms of talent. The Ravens with Lamar and the Saints 2017 class would two recent other ones. My basic point is you want to obviously hit big, but it is not nearly as frequent as we would like. His first round picks have generally been good to very strong, his biggest misses have been in rounds 2-3. For some reason round 4-6 he has found a ton of truly good quality starters which makes zero sense why 2-3 he is so shaky. He probably missed badly in 2024 in that draft unfortunately, but from 2021-23 he did draft Spencer Brown, Rousseau, Cook, Bernard, Benford, Shakir, Kincaid, Torrence, and Dorian Williams which is solid group/hit rate. GMs do miss as much as we hate to admit, KC had a spot their guy missed but he kept going and found guys again. This 2025 draft class and 26' probably are more crucial because he needs some gems to come like Walker to really help finish restoring the foundation if they want to be a top roster through 2030. If he missed with the 2024 draft, fine whatever that sucks, jury is out on 2025 as it takes time and 2022 looks amazing now, but he either needs to hit his picks in 2026 OR utilize them for some good talent to help this season and forward.

I would kind of agree with this except the defense was so wrecked by the end of the year they were starting AJ Klein at LB in the game against KC. They had literally one way to win and they almost got there as they had to basically ball control the heck out of the game to help the defense. I still agree to an extent the premise and the defense has been a shell of itself compared to 2019-23 the last two seasons. 2023 though is the one year I give McD some real credit for what he did at the end given their injuries on D and where the team was mid year.

Thank and I agree as I am frustrated also. I personally believe part of the downfield not being attacked is a choice because the defense is a mess injuries and play wise and if Buffalo can keep the other team off the field chasing they prefer that right now. The team with WR choices and gameplan has decided not to attack deep which is a choice and one that needs some type of evolution. I am a big Brady fan as OC but for the first time since he became OC I think he has been behind the opponents defense for most of the games this year. Some of this is due to penalties, the offensive line not being at par, and turnovers the last bunch of weeks, but some of it is being to cute with reverse style plays when we literally need one yard for a first and just sending Josh or Cook forward is the far more logical smarter decision. I absolutely believe he will figure it out quick, but adding Olave or Ridley (fill in a name and its probably an upgrade) would be a seismic help also.

The NFL changed not only 2 high shell but personnel wise. Teams are not giving the big plays up and want you to beat you with a lot of plays. Additionally defenses are far more athletic then they were prior and more defenses have gone back from nickel base to a 4-3 or 3-4. In general the league is always changing and evolving and if you do not evolve with it you die. It is kind of wild people are saying Josh is just a game manager when he won MVP last year and had some of his biggest games of his career that season. I would also add QBs age and time wins every time. Josh long term needs to be a passer first and let his guys do the work if you want him still good come his late 30s. Brady & Manning understood this and their game improved as mentally they could destroy defenses even if physically they were no longer improving or lost a touch.

Washington Sentinels baby!

If he was bold he would do both!

Yea but how is your separation rate?! HMMMM?!

ALL OF THEM. 15-2 MOFO 15-2

Yep. And the defense is so out of whack right now I think guys like him and Benford who had been good to at times great are feeling it which is weighing them down. Outside of Oliver & Walker I am not sure anyone else has looked good and doing what they should and that has a domino effect on the roster.

Edmunds was a better player overall then Bernard but wanted more money which he cashed in on and we wouldn't pay. Bernard was a good value signing with upside for what they wanted but he is a little lesser then Edmunds. From what I have read in Chicago he has been fine but people do think he is too expensive there and I won't be surprised if he gets cut in a year or two for cap reasons.

The schedule breaks down like this for the playoffs and division crown: Must Win: at MIA CIN at CLE NYJ Need to win at least one probably two to help division race: at CAR at HOU at PIT Division will be won or lost given the tiebreakers: at NE In the past 8 years they usually win one or two of these BUT who knows this year & the NFL could see a record amount of yardage allowed if the Bills defense stays as is: KC PHI TB Realistically if the Bills win the must win games they conference record would be 7-3 before any of the other games considered so they would have tie breakers for the wildcard and division if they go 10-7 or 11-6. More then anything else they need to take care of business in those four games. As for the rest like I said in the past I would trust them to win one or two of KC/PHI/TB, I wouldn't sweat them taking out NE for revenge, and they win two of three against CAR/HOU/PIT. Right now? It feels like a much larger task given their issues across the board and getting to 11 wins could be a struggle. But that is the path above on how it breaks out. By help I hope you mean give our defensive players more PEDs because that might be the only way to save this bus lol

Turn your head the other way your breathing into the wind at a farm

lol I am sorry but all I could thing of when I saw the title of this is the Byrds Turn Turn Turn which ironically feels quite fitting right now Beating BAL before their team got destroyed by injury did carry some meaning, but gut check time has come quick and the schedule is far more formidable post bye.

Two things about these points and I agree also. 1. programs over time and the voice lose their luster unless you are always at max and getting max results. McD has had a very good run minus a ring here but at some point the message fades. No coach has made a SB for the first time from year 8 or later so that alone is uncharted territory and I’d be my mortgage against McD that he is first. 2. regarding windows we know what this team is at max and not with McD. Not all loses are the same and in back to back weeks the offense has been horrendous and the big reason they lost. Your own intuition isn’t wrong, they look like a team with this coach that has gone as far as it can and it probably gets worse before better. Had they lost these last two weeks 38-35 but the offense rolled at least guarantee you wouldn’t care. Instead the whole operation feels at fault. I truly believe the right new voice would do wonders here and the window could be huge IF it was done properly. History is very kind to great QBs with new coaches and success. Allen still has one major window left and then the old guy hey you never know window that happens. But until that change happens we’re just recycling the same sh*t over and over.

The team looks like they’re losing faith on McD. The standard because they have been so close is SB/1 seed etc and McD looks like a flawed failing product despite years of success prior. Josh looks 2023 all over again and the talent issues are real across the defense and WR corp. Last year as it was a reset year of sorts 4-2 didn’t feel awful and felt like they controlled a really good future. It is reallllyyy hard right now to feel like this season has a promising future given how injuries have hit the team hard on defense and the offense has no outside WR threat. McD has been here for 8 years and culturally the regression feels so real. In a sense it would be relieving for this to bottom out and see McD finally released to give Josh another shot with someone else. I truly appreciate the work McD did to help this org rise from the ashes, but I don’t want to see Josh be 35 and that’s the first time he has a new voice when he is no longer at his peak. If it meant McD goes I’d sign up for it at this point.

Roaming Buffalos 27 Black Flying Winged Creatures 19 Bills jump out to an early 10-0 lead as Josh gets Knox on a fast opening drive and the Bills defense gets an INT to which results in a FG. The Falcons get back into it as they run Robinson a bunch to move downfield before Pitts get a TD on 3rd and goal and it is 10-7 at the start of the 2nd. Allen and the offense go on a 6 minute drive to drain a lot of the 2nd and cap it with a Cook rushing TD to go up 17-7. The Falcons move the ball but stall at the Buffalo 15 and are forced to kick a FG before half to make it 17-10. Out of half they trade possessions before Robinson breaks a 30 yard run to get the ball into the Buffalo redzone but the Bills force another FG and it is 17-13. Josh finally hits a deep pass as Palmer breaks the Falcons coverage on a play action for a 55 yard TD to put the Bills up 24-13. Atlanta drives right back for a TD of their own early in the fourth as Rapp misses coverage on London and he scores on a 25 yard TD but the two point conversion fails and it is 24-19 early 4th quarter. The offense again runs the clock but a holding penalty forces a long 3rd and long that the Bills can't convert in the ATL redzone and they settle for a FG. The Falcons have one last chance to answer but Bosa sacks Penix on 4th down at midfield and the Bills leave Atlanta with a W into the bye week. The game won't make the WNY locals fully relieved as the defense will have its moments and the offense will get slowed by a few mistakes, but they will be buttoned up enough to close out a feisty Falcon team. Allen 250 yds 2 TDs 38 yds Cook 96 yds 15 carries 16 rec yards Palmer 102 yds 3 rec 1 TD

The panic which as always post the first loss is always higher imo then others (I admit I was part of it) stems from the fact every major concern that does exist with the team was on full display: -Passing game limited of sorts when it comes to outside WR -Offense has issues both penalty and turnover related and they partially lose because they aren't scoring 30 points -defense again has major tackling issues, the CBs look rough, Milano unfortunately goes broke, and the ability to win an ugly defensive game is not there The Bills themselves post KC AFC title loss said we need to help Josh we need to help Josh and were going to throw everything we got into the D. Right now it feels like the exact same team as last year with an offense that will dominate more times than not even though the WR position against certain opponents will have issues while the defense can't make a play in the clutch and it is on the offense to be B+ or better every game. NOW... with that said and the tape out etc.. the defense actually showed some true signs that they maybe are turning the corner a bit, especially with the D line. At CB not sure what you do with Tre looking so old and the two rookies out, trade is probably needed. Milano getting hurt again stinks but I think they can survive depth wise. They are going to get guys back and football is a week to week league. Additionally the offense did leave a lot to be desired in the first half, but Kincaid especially looks like he may have turned the corner and I truly doubt they look that up and down the remainder of the year. So with time yea it is a sucky loss, but mostly because of the AFC Conference/Division component for tie breakers but it happens to everyone. Maye also really did play well and it sucks when your on the receiving end of good QB play which usually is the opposite 9/10 times for us. The biggest thing truly will be if the defense can come together down the stretch with more consistent better tackling play. I am not asking for the Legion of Boom as much as if the offense scores 24 and is relatively mistake free can we count on you to keep the other team to 20 or less? Will find out in the next 10 weeks or so.

This has been my point all season and why I was furious Monday. AND when the head coach is supposed to be a defensive specialist it is magnified even more.

It also was the first time since Brady was here a QB made some legit great plays in division where you had to tip your cap. Don't like that he is on the Pats as it will be an obstacle down the road, but respect Maye a ton and like how the kid plays. Tua I never was bothered by because you could see he was the sum of the parts and while he can be very good he has limitations. It is obviously still early with Maye, but he showed the stuff that makes a QB a long term answer for a team.

Agreed. I said on another thread that Sal on his podcast with Boston sports guys last week discussed the everyone eats ideology and they responded Brady's most successful years in terms of SB and when they team did well was when the Pats did that. They even remarked as fun as the Moss years were it got stale because he demanded the ball so much and the offense was better on a more regular basis when it was a bit more committee based. I thought the Bills offense was behind the Pats defense all night which contributed to not having a hot hand. I also would be really happy to see a WR addition to the team that could add another weapon to Cook, Shakir, & Kincaid who seems to have found his mark. One more guy that can just go rough shot for 6-7 targets a game would diversify the offense just a bit more like we would like. I truly don't understand what our strategy was with Diggs and to his credit he balled out incredibly along with Maye who made some Josh level plays late.

I would add on that because when building a team in a cap league you have to pick where you devote your resources to the Bills have decided that WR is not a priority and with everyone eats they are ok with the coordinator scheming it up/Josh being Josh. They instead are trying to use the resources to help Josh on D (don't get me going on how that project has been thus far) so when they do play KC in a title game and Josh/the O put up 29 points the defense maybe finally hold KC to 27 24 anything less then 29. I get the idea of it is impossible to build a perfect team in todays NFL with the cap once a QB is paid which makes hitting your picks so vital along with getting the right FAs with what money you have. I would be more ok with the idea of what they have done with the WR corp if we could see some tangible progress by the defense. Right now and after Sunday I see the same result coming as last January which is what is upsetting and does make me question then why not add a true elite WR or at least solid WR with good separation. I hated the fact they ignored the WR spot in 23' and forced the Coleman pick in 24' instead of trading up. It is what it is, the offense more weeks then not will be good to dominate and Josh can win a title with that. I know the majority of the league wishes they had our O line and Cook is a legit blue chip talent now which helps big time. So it is a very good offense for the most part but it has its flaw with the WR's, especially in games where separation matters and/or they are having an off week with penalties turnovers etc.. I listened to Sal's podcast with the Boston reporters last week and the Pats guys said how Josh seems at his best right now like Brady where they can feed 7-8 + different targets a game. So while we are frustrated a times with the WRs it does seem nationally their is a huge respect for the offense in general and what it does. We just reallyyyy need to hope that the defense gets healthy, the guys who come back play to expectation, and they clean up the tackling otherwise our fate is going to mirror recent playoff losses the last two years.

I think his best days are behind and sadly now he is aging faster then ice melting.

Agreed. The Bills turned it over three times including one in their own redzone & another killing a point scoring drive. The offense couldn't do sh*t when the defense held the Pats to 6 pts in the first half. The defense couldn't do sh*t in the 2nd half when the offense got going which kept them off script all night. The defense just missed a few times that would've got the ball back to Buffalo to win. The Pats had a million broken tackles because apparently we cannot tackle this season. Sure penalties were a thing but from what I saw they were fair even if ticky tackty. The Patriots themselves had 8 penalties for 93 yards and had they lost they would've been just as annoyed as a fan base. The other thing is this is the second week in a row the Bills went 10 + penalties so Hochuli or not they have been too undisciplined.

Their defense is the biggest issue at this point. Their offense has been very up or down, but the defense all season has been very good all season. Top in yards allowed and top defense against the pass. The one flaw is their run defense which could favor Buffalo if they can eliminate the penalties, but they have a lot of youth they invested in on the defensive line. Penix is starting just his 8th game so he is still very green which means you will get some good and some bad. The game to me comes down to the Bills running it down their throats and not letting Penix get comfortable in the pocket. If one of those things happen they still win but close, if both happens probably closer to blow out, if neither happens could be Sunday all over again. Didn't return his shopping cart at Tops

Lets go 5-7 but 8-4 in conference & 5-1 in division to finish 9-8. The ultimate put the bullet in the chamber in see what the end result is playoff situation lol, the tie breakers would be wild.