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The team looks like they’re losing faith on McD. The standard because they have been so close is SB/1 seed etc and McD looks like a flawed failing product despite years of success prior. Josh looks 2023 all over again and the talent issues are real across the defense and WR corp. Last year as it was a reset year of sorts 4-2 didn’t feel awful and felt like they controlled a really good future. It is reallllyyy hard right now to feel like this season has a promising future given how injuries have hit the team hard on defense and the offense has no outside WR threat. McD has been here for 8 years and culturally the regression feels so real. In a sense it would be relieving for this to bottom out and see McD finally released to give Josh another shot with someone else. I truly appreciate the work McD did to help this org rise from the ashes, but I don’t want to see Josh be 35 and that’s the first time he has a new voice when he is no longer at his peak. If it meant McD goes I’d sign up for it at this point.

Roaming Buffalos 27 Black Flying Winged Creatures 19 Bills jump out to an early 10-0 lead as Josh gets Knox on a fast opening drive and the Bills defense gets an INT to which results in a FG. The Falcons get back into it as they run Robinson a bunch to move downfield before Pitts get a TD on 3rd and goal and it is 10-7 at the start of the 2nd. Allen and the offense go on a 6 minute drive to drain a lot of the 2nd and cap it with a Cook rushing TD to go up 17-7. The Falcons move the ball but stall at the Buffalo 15 and are forced to kick a FG before half to make it 17-10. Out of half they trade possessions before Robinson breaks a 30 yard run to get the ball into the Buffalo redzone but the Bills force another FG and it is 17-13. Josh finally hits a deep pass as Palmer breaks the Falcons coverage on a play action for a 55 yard TD to put the Bills up 24-13. Atlanta drives right back for a TD of their own early in the fourth as Rapp misses coverage on London and he scores on a 25 yard TD but the two point conversion fails and it is 24-19 early 4th quarter. The offense again runs the clock but a holding penalty forces a long 3rd and long that the Bills can't convert in the ATL redzone and they settle for a FG. The Falcons have one last chance to answer but Bosa sacks Penix on 4th down at midfield and the Bills leave Atlanta with a W into the bye week. The game won't make the WNY locals fully relieved as the defense will have its moments and the offense will get slowed by a few mistakes, but they will be buttoned up enough to close out a feisty Falcon team. Allen 250 yds 2 TDs 38 yds Cook 96 yds 15 carries 16 rec yards Palmer 102 yds 3 rec 1 TD

The panic which as always post the first loss is always higher imo then others (I admit I was part of it) stems from the fact every major concern that does exist with the team was on full display: -Passing game limited of sorts when it comes to outside WR -Offense has issues both penalty and turnover related and they partially lose because they aren't scoring 30 points -defense again has major tackling issues, the CBs look rough, Milano unfortunately goes broke, and the ability to win an ugly defensive game is not there The Bills themselves post KC AFC title loss said we need to help Josh we need to help Josh and were going to throw everything we got into the D. Right now it feels like the exact same team as last year with an offense that will dominate more times than not even though the WR position against certain opponents will have issues while the defense can't make a play in the clutch and it is on the offense to be B+ or better every game. NOW... with that said and the tape out etc.. the defense actually showed some true signs that they maybe are turning the corner a bit, especially with the D line. At CB not sure what you do with Tre looking so old and the two rookies out, trade is probably needed. Milano getting hurt again stinks but I think they can survive depth wise. They are going to get guys back and football is a week to week league. Additionally the offense did leave a lot to be desired in the first half, but Kincaid especially looks like he may have turned the corner and I truly doubt they look that up and down the remainder of the year. So with time yea it is a sucky loss, but mostly because of the AFC Conference/Division component for tie breakers but it happens to everyone. Maye also really did play well and it sucks when your on the receiving end of good QB play which usually is the opposite 9/10 times for us. The biggest thing truly will be if the defense can come together down the stretch with more consistent better tackling play. I am not asking for the Legion of Boom as much as if the offense scores 24 and is relatively mistake free can we count on you to keep the other team to 20 or less? Will find out in the next 10 weeks or so.

This has been my point all season and why I was furious Monday. AND when the head coach is supposed to be a defensive specialist it is magnified even more.

It also was the first time since Brady was here a QB made some legit great plays in division where you had to tip your cap. Don't like that he is on the Pats as it will be an obstacle down the road, but respect Maye a ton and like how the kid plays. Tua I never was bothered by because you could see he was the sum of the parts and while he can be very good he has limitations. It is obviously still early with Maye, but he showed the stuff that makes a QB a long term answer for a team.

Agreed. I said on another thread that Sal on his podcast with Boston sports guys last week discussed the everyone eats ideology and they responded Brady's most successful years in terms of SB and when they team did well was when the Pats did that. They even remarked as fun as the Moss years were it got stale because he demanded the ball so much and the offense was better on a more regular basis when it was a bit more committee based. I thought the Bills offense was behind the Pats defense all night which contributed to not having a hot hand. I also would be really happy to see a WR addition to the team that could add another weapon to Cook, Shakir, & Kincaid who seems to have found his mark. One more guy that can just go rough shot for 6-7 targets a game would diversify the offense just a bit more like we would like. I truly don't understand what our strategy was with Diggs and to his credit he balled out incredibly along with Maye who made some Josh level plays late.

I would add on that because when building a team in a cap league you have to pick where you devote your resources to the Bills have decided that WR is not a priority and with everyone eats they are ok with the coordinator scheming it up/Josh being Josh. They instead are trying to use the resources to help Josh on D (don't get me going on how that project has been thus far) so when they do play KC in a title game and Josh/the O put up 29 points the defense maybe finally hold KC to 27 24 anything less then 29. I get the idea of it is impossible to build a perfect team in todays NFL with the cap once a QB is paid which makes hitting your picks so vital along with getting the right FAs with what money you have. I would be more ok with the idea of what they have done with the WR corp if we could see some tangible progress by the defense. Right now and after Sunday I see the same result coming as last January which is what is upsetting and does make me question then why not add a true elite WR or at least solid WR with good separation. I hated the fact they ignored the WR spot in 23' and forced the Coleman pick in 24' instead of trading up. It is what it is, the offense more weeks then not will be good to dominate and Josh can win a title with that. I know the majority of the league wishes they had our O line and Cook is a legit blue chip talent now which helps big time. So it is a very good offense for the most part but it has its flaw with the WR's, especially in games where separation matters and/or they are having an off week with penalties turnovers etc.. I listened to Sal's podcast with the Boston reporters last week and the Pats guys said how Josh seems at his best right now like Brady where they can feed 7-8 + different targets a game. So while we are frustrated a times with the WRs it does seem nationally their is a huge respect for the offense in general and what it does. We just reallyyyy need to hope that the defense gets healthy, the guys who come back play to expectation, and they clean up the tackling otherwise our fate is going to mirror recent playoff losses the last two years.

I think his best days are behind and sadly now he is aging faster then ice melting.

Agreed. The Bills turned it over three times including one in their own redzone & another killing a point scoring drive. The offense couldn't do sh*t when the defense held the Pats to 6 pts in the first half. The defense couldn't do sh*t in the 2nd half when the offense got going which kept them off script all night. The defense just missed a few times that would've got the ball back to Buffalo to win. The Pats had a million broken tackles because apparently we cannot tackle this season. Sure penalties were a thing but from what I saw they were fair even if ticky tackty. The Patriots themselves had 8 penalties for 93 yards and had they lost they would've been just as annoyed as a fan base. The other thing is this is the second week in a row the Bills went 10 + penalties so Hochuli or not they have been too undisciplined.

Their defense is the biggest issue at this point. Their offense has been very up or down, but the defense all season has been very good all season. Top in yards allowed and top defense against the pass. The one flaw is their run defense which could favor Buffalo if they can eliminate the penalties, but they have a lot of youth they invested in on the defensive line. Penix is starting just his 8th game so he is still very green which means you will get some good and some bad. The game to me comes down to the Bills running it down their throats and not letting Penix get comfortable in the pocket. If one of those things happen they still win but close, if both happens probably closer to blow out, if neither happens could be Sunday all over again. Didn't return his shopping cart at Tops

Lets go 5-7 but 8-4 in conference & 5-1 in division to finish 9-8. The ultimate put the bullet in the chamber in see what the end result is playoff situation lol, the tie breakers would be wild.

In general the defense has had a lot of mistakes weekly of guys not executing. From bad tackling, issues in coverage, and sloppiness across the board this has been the most unhinged defense McD has had so far. Even last year which you could argue was less talented on paper seemed to play better as a group based on the eye test compared to this year which statistically shows better then 24' is a mess at times to watch. My hope was as guys healed/came back from suspension the defense would improve substantially, but these errors are not talent its player execution which is far more serious issue especially when the offenses since BAL have not been murders row by any means.

I didn't have my white Jersey on and Bills were doing ok. Moment I put it on to join the white out Coleman fumbled and it was all downhill. Moment I took it off Bills scored 10 pts in the last 10 minutes. So its me, I'm the problem it's me. Your going to be denied entry to NYS in the future during Bills seasons

Actually their record in the throwbacks is pretty good lol

The moment the Coleman fumble happened you could see he was off his face read it. They already fumbled and blew decent field position on the Knox sweep and by that point the penalties were coming fast and furious. Then they fumble giving the Pats at least 3 pts for nothing and yea he looked off. I have said the offense in general was the first time all year I felt they were behind the the Pats defense all evening in terms of tempo and dictating play. I never felt they were comfortable and with the errors & chasing the score they seemed to press. Even the Ravens comeback it felt like points and opportunity was there to the way they wanted to do it. For whatever reason Josh against the Pats has been very up and down his entire career outside of the Perfect Game and those two away games in 2020/21. Maybe it is the divisional element or just personnel wise they match up pretty well, but where the Phins he torches them and the Jets he usually is solid the Pats for a while now have been a bugaboo of sorts.

Football is weird honestly. I had the Bills losing to ATL and thought they would have handled business. The Pats lost to the Raiders and Steelers at home but beat Buffalo. It is a week by week league and especially for younger teams up and coming like NE they will have a little more variance as they build up then others. The Pats this year remind of 2019 Bills in a lot of ways and that Bills team had a bad loss in CLE where it felt like they should have won that (CLE had lost 4 straight come in). Whoever lost was going to be annoyed with the refs. Both fanbases had a right to be annoyed, the amount of ticky tact crap was stupid.

12-5 or better Buffalo will win the division. Dip to 11-6 its 50/50 especially if you do not beat NE in their house.

Gabriel also looked solid at QB and is mobile. Browns might be a spunky team the rest of the year given the talent on D and enough on O to do some things. Granted 5-12 type spunky but spunky lol

No one is debating Josh with the ball in his hand and doing more. I was disappointed he didn't come through last year in the AFC title when he did have the ball. He also left the field in 2021 with the lead twice and never even got to respond. The issue again is this defense never rises period. Pats won multiple SBs with their defense limiting the offense to 20 pts or less including the Rams to just 3 in 2018. Mahomes in two his wins against the 49ers had his defense hold them to 22 & 20. Their is no debating Mahomes did his part scoring wise and it is why it is him and Brady... then everyone else. Hell Mannings last SB he was mostly a passenger to an all world defense and his first SB win came in part because they actually rose up to limit Chicago. The point I refuse to back off from and which points directly to McD is the head coaches sweet spot is supposed to be defense. The investments made have been defense. A no time has the defense in the elimination game actually done enough where you could squarely look and say "they did their part where is the offense". Instead its been the reverse time and time again despite all the investment and McDs scheme. Additionally while Josh is stuck with McD who doesn't even register as a top 10 coach in the league Pat and Brady got two of top five coaches in league history. Josh would be the first to say he needs to do more when it matters, but for an org that says its focused on raising the boats to help him and said as much this offseason there is nothing indicating that is happening or will happen for that matter.

We Need To Pay One Billion Dollars lol McD's defense in playoff losses since 2019 allow on average 30 ppg. Chiefs 25 & Ravens 20 ppg allowed. Josh has been the greatest reason those games have been close even if he has not been perfect. No QB including Mahomes will last when the biggest game every year your looking at needing 30 points just to tie.

Agreed. 99 NFC title he also was royally screwed on the Bert Emanuel "non catch" as they slowed the Greatest Show on Turf down to a crawl. McD doesn't have a single post season loss I could look and say he got hosed as much as he hosed him own team.

No. Once they lost to KC in the AFC title this prior season my faith evaporated he can do it.

Exactly. The amount of resources devoted to the D to help Josh and then see this as the same issue if not worse as apparently they cannot tackle anymore when the head coach himself is a defensive guy is so frustrating. The Bills points allowed in playoff losses is an average of 30.8 since 2019. Chiefs are 25.5 and Ravens are 20.6 since 2019. At some point is the guy who we keep dumping everything into his side of the ball actually going to have them show up and for real? It feels like that meme that says it didn't work before but maybe this time is different. I just don't think it is different anymore this is what you get and yea maybe Josh pulls an Aaron Rodgers 2010 run to get the ring, but he otherwise is being let down and being held to in an insane standard that his competition in KC/BAL aren't because they get that help. Hell its why a narrative exists on Lamar come post season because their defense generally is decent come the post season but the offense has too many days like we did last night.

Yep horsecollar in all in front of him. With that said I generally agreed with the penalties called and the pats had a ton especially late that had they lost I am sure they would've been pissed about.

It was a systematic loss which highlights your greatest fears, worries, and issues that exist. It was a reminder again of the AFC title that if this offense is not 30+ a game which usually means Josh is also near his best then they cannot win.