Rochesterfan

Just another TROLL job by a poster making inflammatory comments and then never following up. Poster has a couple of these on the main board and a couple last week. It should be shut down with a Time Out for not coming back into your thread. The consensus seems to be - Don’t waste the picks and the money.

This is just the most Jesty thing ever. J E S T S ?

I think the Giants are the more consistent team and will probably will win first, but I also hope the Jets beat the Browns.

I don’t think it was dirty - more unlucky - as both guys ducked in, but yes I would expect a fine a he did end up going helmet to helmet. It looked like he was trying to lead with his shoulder and just got head to head.

Sal is talking about surgery for Brees on his thumb - out a minimum of 6 weeks. Could be the end end of the Saints for this year. Edit: on further review - not sure it matters - Carolina and Cam look bad, Atlanta has been up an down, and TB is TB. I thought this was going to be a great division, but it now look like a train wreck.

Serious question - why? You may not like Zay, but he can fill in at any of the WR positions and handle the assignment. Duke Williams was a big target, but got no separation from 6-7th cut DBs. If they call him up - he is inactive every week because he brings nearly nothing to the team. He could be a better blocker, but he only knows limited positions - so if he is tight - you are giving away your run plans. He could be a better receiver, but his inability to get any separation means every throw to him will be contested and going against top end DBs - I am not sure he wins compared to the few wins in PS. So I get that you dislike Zay, but he has shown in his limited plays an ability to get open and make catches. He has shown a willingness to block and help in the run game. He can fill in for every WR position on the field - meaning if some gets gassed or hurt mid drive - he can help fill in and allow the team to keep the same offense going. I get the feeling because of those things the Coaching Staff sees him as much more valuable as a WR than they see potential in Duke Williams.

There also is a second part to this: Typically for 80% of the NFL QBs - that throw is a timing/anticipatory throw. They make the throw just before or as the WR breaks and with some touch - allow the WR to adjust to the ball. For JA on this play - he waits a bit to long and uses his arm strength to get the ball there. It is a great read and a good throw, but Jones has already beaten his man by the time the ball is released. The zip/power throw does not allow the WR to adjust. The timing on when the ball arrived was perfect - the only thing that I would like to see the future is that he gets the ball out a third to half second earlier with a bit less pace and more touch to allow the WR to adjust. That kind of decision and play would make me even more assured of him reaching his ceiling- because that is sustainable long term as his athletic ability begins to fade. The thread about Cam really drives this home - at some point the arm strength and running will no longer be enough (or even adequate) and the mental game will take over. I see nothing to suggest he won’t be successful with his work ethic and his progression so far, but to me that is the next step - much like we saw with the touch pass to Beasley (and Sweeney in the preseason).

I think you both both have a point and with the current ball placement Zay does a great Job of going down to get it and ensuring the catch. Where I disagree with the overall assessment is that because Zay Jones rounds off the route a bit - rather than a sharper break - it puts him 1-2 yards deeper than you expect - I think that causes the positioning of the throw as much as anything else. Watching it several times - Jones sets up the break at Midfield and makes the actual cut at the NYJ 48 - instead of coming straight with a sharp cut - the rounded off cut takes him to the NYJ 46 where he makes the catch. With the rope JA threw on that play - that 2 yards is the difference between the ball being right on the numbers and being on his hip. I get that the final placement of the ball was not perfect - it was a darn good throw in any case - I just think a better route by Jones does 2 things: 1) It opens him up more from the DB - the rounded route allowed him to have that DB within a few yards meaning a better DB gets a chance at a break-up. 2) It gives him a better pass as JA is throwing just after the break - a sharper break gets the ball at chest level and may have led him for a bigger gain or a TD. Of course there is the alternative that a better route and throw makes it a much easier catch and Zay has struggled with the easy catches. That placement may have actually forced to concentrate and actually make the catch. Either way a great play and amazing job by the line - I would have been really interested if Jamal Adams had timed it better - what impact that would have had. His timing ran him right into the crossing route and that delayed him. Feliciano and Singletary recognized late he was coming, but the slow down allowed them to be perfect. I also love the extra swipes Feliciano puts on Adams basically discouraging him on future blitzes.

Very cool - wish they had more players - would of liked to see some stuff on Motor.

Read this yesterday - gave it an awesome rating. Loved the way the are competitive, but still care - like a real family situation. Just a great read and real excitement about his future - either here or out on his own.

Really? I can’t stand them - they are misogynistic and really have very little football knowledge. I love when they have guys like Sal on, but for the most part I just can not listen to them at all. I will say say they are better than listening to Schopp on WGR, but basically now I just pull up Pod casts on my way home because I need something that makes sense.

Matthew Fairburn talked about the quote on his podcast and basically stated that that is how guys (non-scouts) tier QBs prior to the draft. Could Pat have done a better job - yeah, but calling a guy pre-draft as a chance to be an NFL starter puts him in the top tier of QBs when they are making the evaluation. I am sure they all have their own number grades also, but what he said was not the insult everyone wants to make it, but good for the Bills if it helps motivate the team for a win What to me is more bulletin board material is the GM saying basically the QBs in that draft might be good, but he was going with the HOF player. They had a shot at 4 of the 5 first rd QBs and a chance to trade and acquire picks and they rode it out with an RB. Barkley is great and maybe the best RB in the game, but as we all know that will get you about 5 wins max unless you have a QB that complement that.

I am am not going to go one way or the other yet. Just last year there was a was a wonderful thread about Luck being done. No arm strength - issues with accuracy - etc. - then he goes out after a few weeks and has a great season getting his team to the playoffs and destroying the Bills. I think Cam is in that same place. After the surgery - his arm looks dead and he ha not adjusted to the new normal for him. I think he has more in the tank, but he will need to adjust and I am not sure he has that in him. Getting older and banged up is hard and and these guys need to adjust to a different commitment level both in season and after the season to get their body back in playing shape. What I love about Josh is he went and spent the off-season working on mechanics and learning to get better. You could see it in the game - his foot work was light years ahead of early last season and that takes stress off you arms and shoulders for throws. Cam needed to do more of that early in his career and then he would be better prepared at this point in his career to handle these injuries. Cam has always been the best athlete and that ability has served him well, but now he needs to become a smarter, better player or else I think he will be done.

You do understand that Lawson and Murphy are playing on opposite sides and Lawson is significantly better going in for Hughes on that side. So if you want more Lawson it is coming by taking Hughes out. Murphy is being spelled by Johnson - which is why the snap counts are where they are. Both guys played welled and neither is a complete DE, but they complement the rest of the DL.

Just saw this on Twitter - what an awesome video. Makes me so proud of this team/organization. My hat is off to Beane, McDermott, and especially the Pegulas. ??????????????? They deserve a ton of accolades and credit - this is what the NFL needs to highlight.

I don’t know - they might or thy might not have stayed he same. For me if the Bills lined up with 1 RB/2 TE (Sweeney/Knox) - I would bring in an extra DB (Safety) to cover Knox - much more likely to be passing formation, but the Jets may have also stayed base. What we do know is that using DiMarco did keep them in base and accomplished what Daboll and JA wanted to get for looks.

Sweeney is by far the better player. The issue is if the Bills went 1RB (Singletary) and 2 TE (Knox and Sweeney) - how do the Jets defend that versus how they defended the 2RB x 1TE sets. My guess is they counter the 2 TEs by going to a Nickel look - taking 1 LB out and using a Safety or extra DB instead. I think that Greg Williams has showed over the years that in nickel - especially with good safety play - he can design and blitz as needed. I do not think the plan was we have DiMarco and he is a great mismatch - I think DiMarco was there just to keep the defense in base - the rest of the offense had a big advantage versus base. If the Jets had tried to counter and go Nickel - then I think the Bills line up tight and try to run the ball using DiMarco as a lead. If they stayed Base (as the Jets did) - move him outside and we can attack 10 on 10 with our WRs against their depleted CBs. Interestingly I think the Giants have the same weakness as the Jets and less talent upfront - so I expect some different formations and more running this week. Just my opinion.

I think it will change somewhat week to week. I think the Bills (and rightfully so) saw a big advantage to trying to keep the Jets in a base defense with 3 LBs because they only had 1 in Mosley with any experience or talent. I think DiMarco does that, but some TEs do not - they Jets May prefer nickel in that case. It looked like by keeping DiMarco in the game and spreading him to the outside you limited some of the Jets exotic blitz schemes and they had a better idea of what Jamal Adams was going to do. Basically you are playing the Jets 10 on 10 up front, but you know their coverage and have limited their blitzing. Sounds like a win win. I think the Giants have similar weaknesses to the Jets, but the entire Defense is not as good. I would not be surprised to see some of the same, but also a few different spreads to attack a weaker secondary.

Because the defense can block the runoff to prevent that situation: The rules are designed with checks and balances - the offense can’t keep committing penalties to get the time to run off - just as if the defense with a moving clock did something illegal to stop the clock - the refs can run up to 40 seconds off and declare the game over. see below: Fouls that cause a run-10 Any foul that is considered to be an illegal act to conserve time are subject to special timing rules. These include: a foul by either team that prevents the snap, for example: false start encroachment illegal shift (offense not set) intentional grounding an illegal forward pass thrown beyond the line of scrimmage throwing a backward pass out of bounds spiking or throwing the ball in the field of play after a down has ended, except for a touchdown illegal substitution, unless obviously not to conserve time any other intentional foul that stops the clock If any of these fouls are against the offense, and the clock is not stopped for another reason, a 10-second runoff will apply. The defense has the option to take the yardage for the penalty but decline the runoff, but if they decline the penalty the runoff must also be declined. The run off is designed to penalize an offense trying to score and can not be used to try an end a game when they are ahead. It is part of the reason you rarely see run-offs when offensive fouls occur on a team running out the clock.

Nope - you stay right in the car as long as the car is not on fire. Wait for the emergency team to help slow down the traffic and get them to move over. The instinct is to get out and check things out, but you are safest in the car surrounded by metal. What a tragedy and you just hate to see this - my heart goes out to them.

I don’t think they wanted anyone to even have a chance for anything to happen - something crazy across the field throw or a ruby pitch around and something bad happens. Get the special teams group off that aren’t all designated defenders and get your strongest unit the defense on their with minimal time and a long way to go.

The Bills had called a timeout - the game clock was not moving - so the play clock did not matter. You punt there 100% of the time with that amount of time and the defense you have. It was played correctly. There would have been no run off - it would have just been 1 second less. I think they were more concerned about an error on the snap or kicking the ball and not getting it out of play. The yardage mattered little - you just had to make sure they could do nothing on special teams.

You keep saying this and I just do not understand your point. No one is suggesting he is some type of super, useful gadget RB - he is used for a specific purpose and there is no one else on the roster to do that. Having DiMarco in the game as part of a 2RB/1TE helps keep the base defense on the field. By spreading him out they are not looking at him to be a mismatch - they are using him to determine the coverage and in many cases pull a LB out to cover him. If as in the Jets game, they don’t cover him - then they will us him for a free 5 yards. They are not expecting him to have 100 yard receiving games or something. The nice piece with using Dimarco is if they do go Nickel because of the passing game - you can pull the formation tight and have a strong running attack with a lead full back. When the stay wide - They have WR/TE routes that are both Man beaters or zone beaters - so based on the coverage Josh knows Man vs Zone and has limited area to read. I understand with the turnovers it did not finish the way they wanted, but they were consistently moving the ball getting into FG range. As the season progresses- I expect in they think they have an advantage using Yeldon - they will adjust. I also expect to see a lot of 1RB/2TE formations as we move along - all to do the exact same thing - dictate coverage and get teams into a more vanilla scheme.

Because 2 TE sets or 3 WRs does not give you a full picture. It could be 1 RB/2TE or 2RB/2TE or even 0RB/2TE. The same with 3 WRs - is it 1 RB and 1TE or is it 2 RB/0 TE. The numbers give a fuller idea of what the package is and that is not needed always for a casual fan watching the game or you can pick it up by seeing 2 RB when in 3 wide, but for discussion and understanding using the number scheme is much better.

Not with this personnel - this week they ran zero 2 TE formations in NE. They ran a lot of 2 RB 1 TE and a lot of 2 RB 0 TE with 3 WR. They take their strength and then match it against your weakness. Give it time and as these young players learn more and are more comfortable- the formations will change, but right now DiMarco has the most experience in this offense and can do things others can’t if you tighten the formation down.