Rochesterfan

Nope the announcers are correct - if any part of the ball is in the end zone - the ball is considered in the end zone - it makes perfect sense both ways are the same.

It is a scoring play - coaches can’t challenge - it is automatically reviewed.

Thanks for pointing that out. The inaccurate line of bull has got to stop as a narrative- 65% and he had at least 3 balls hit receivers on the hands that were accurate throws. He threw the ball away at least 2 times. He had at least 2 balls that got hit at the line of scrimmage. Even his 2 really poor decisions that were jumped by Jets defenders - the passes were spot on the receivers. That means 9 of the 13 incompletions were either on target or because of the batting of the ball at the line of scrimmage we won’t know. Josh Allen was extremely accurate with the ball today. It does not change that he had some bad decisions and a ton of bad luck early in the game, but his improvements from last year was remarkable. The touch passes, the stepping up in the pocket, the changing of the plays at the line of scrimmage - he has progressed far beyond where he was and you can see why people think he has such a high ceiling. The narrative will continue to be about the inaccurate plays and the TOs in this game because those that said he was a mistake have to justify their hot takes, but the truth is he outplayed Darnold today, is better than Rosen, and even outplayed Mayfield. The only QB from last year playing better is Jackson and that guy just played his butt off.

That touch pass to Beasley that he dropped is the perfect example - Allen read the play beautifully and with perfect touch put it right into Beasley’s hands. He has made that throw throw a few times this season (preseason) and it shows so much progress for who he was last year. There was also a great video of the Brown TD from the end zone and you can see Allen look at Brown - look to the middle of the field at the safety- peak at Brown - then quickly move his head back to the middle of the field just before throwing the TD pass. That would have been a pick early last year because Allen was staring down receivers in that situation, but he has learned. He is not perfect, but man is he exciting.

I don’t think he was on a pitch count - this is Gase’s offense - how many times in Miami did they stick with the run or make sure the RB stayed involved? I think Bell was out there almost every play, but he is going to be criminally underutilized for his salary in this offense. Part of the reason Gase was so upset about how much they paid Bell.

Agreed - they kept the same personnel and lined up tight and they would shift to spread because the Jets kept base personnel in and passing gave the Bills the numbers advantage. They way outgained the Jets and moved the Ball with ease when they had them spread out. They then hurt themselves with missed blocks leading to a fumble. A tipped pass leading to a pick 6. Another tipped pass getting picked. I preferred to see the offense they broke out this game early than the more run oriented gameplans of the last few years.

Yeah - my 17 yr old daughter was working on homework until the middle of the 3rd quarter. She came down and things turned around. The best part was she was out at the fridge getting a snack when the first TD was scored and spent the rest of the game out in the kitchen standing looking at the fridge. She didn’t dare even peak around at the TV. What a trooper! We kept her up to speed, but she refused to move. ?

If this was his plan and he truly hated the Bills - wouldn’t he want to screw them worse? Wouldn’t he want to go there and twist a knife to force his way out. If this was his plan - why worry about getting a huge contract extension with guaranteed money - the reason he wanted to go to the Raiders. It was almost the reason they couldn’t cut him or move on. If this was his plan - it would of made more sense to keep his original contract and act crazy because then he gets cut quicker. They have less tied to him.

So the fact the starting QB has talked about all the time wasted working with AB and the team leaders working to fix this situation. The time Gruden spent trying to repair the situation and then talk about the cut. The time the team spent working with AB to get him ready and then to have him not show up, talk about a suspension, figure he will be out, then heartfelt apology, then back in as a teammate and practice and finally uncertainty and then the cut. That did not impact gameplans and coaches and individual players that will be covering or playing - especially the QB that has made multiple comments through his brother. I agree the average - low tier players are not impacted, but your starters, leaders - they are dealing with the drama, the questions, and trying to keep the team together and focused. It certainly impacts 1/3 to 1/2 the roster and mostly the guys that are going to play.

I don’t get this thought process at all? So the premise is that AB wanted to be on a good team like NE. So he acted nuts in Pittsburgh for 2 plus years to get a big extension there (a winning franchise with a HOF QB and an African American head coach) to force his way out via trade to a team like the Raiders - so he could be free to sign in NE? Then he has forethought to plan to force whatever team he is traded to to write him a big contract extension with lots of guaranteed money - just so that he can act insane to get that contract voided so that he can then sign a minimum/low level contract with what ever team he wanted. That is AB level of crazy in a theory because if he wanted to go wherever he wanted - he could of not signed the original Pittsburgh contract and forced himself to be a FA as they already had Bell on the franchise tag. Now how about we truly look at this logically. AB has been all about the money for years. He is/was a great player, but he wanted to be paid like the best and have that money guaranteed. Pittsburgh gave him a fair contract and he took it just before the WR market exploded and suddenly the contract there was not good enough. The erratic behavior got worse as he felt undervalued. Finally last season it came to a head after getting into Tomlin’s dog house and he disappeared the last week with a chance to make the playoffs and after the fines and comments wanted out of Pittsburgh. Several teams inquire, but when it becomes known he wants a big extension with upfront money - most teams including the Bills back off. The Raiders eventually work out a deal with huge money and guarantees and AB seems content. The Raiders give him a ton of freedom and back him in the cryogenic foot issue and the helmet issue. After those are decided- the GM comments he needs to come back, but AB skips additional practices and a walk through (similar to Pittsburgh). The Raiders fine him and he explodes and then goes after the GM. Here is is where I think your theory falls apart. If he really wanted to be gone - why would he apologize- he would have doubled down and he would have been suspended and cut anyway. Why did he apologize- because the real driving force is and was the guaranteed money!!!!! When he learned that he could lose that - he immediately came crawling back with a tear filled team apology. Everything was great - except the team informed them personally and via a formal letter he was being fined and the wording “could” void his guarantees. The potential loss of the money then precipitates the bizarre video call with Gruden and the release me statement. Now he is free to sign, but who is going to pay him 30+ million in bonuses and 1 million per game. I think everyone saying he will be back is probably wrong - it is not a team he wants - it money and respect and I can not see him taking a 5-6 million dollar prove it deal with no guarantees - even from NE. He is looking for 16+ million and now with the Julio Jones signing he will expect even more. I think he is done until he decides to play for less and see what happens. That is my opinion, but it seems to make sense with his behavior much more than he wanted to be in NE from the beginning.

Just hilarious- it was so cute.

I am not sure they have that many serious potential players each year. I thought I heard the NFL saying they had like 10-15 petitions for positions this year and evaluated them and choose the best 4 most likely to make it through. I think they could bump it up to 8 maybe, but the pay is coming from the league pool - not the individual teams - so they want legitimate players that have shots - not just a bunch of random foreign players.

I do not think that is an option. I believe from the old TO/Dallas issues - the team can only suspend him for a maximum of 4 games for conduct detrimental to the team. Then they have to move on in another way or wait for him to mess up again for additional punishment. The league on the other hand - based on conduct (threats made) have a 6 games or longer option, but I doubt they use it. The suspension of the first game is the big one though in that one game can void almost all of his guarantees and his yearly salary and therefore make it possible to cut him and not be financially hamstrung. We will see how it plays out, but I am guessing they will suspend him and if AB puts up a fit (as we all suspect) they will work with the league on an option to be done with the contract. My guess is a court date/arbitration hearing to determine the exact amount needed to shred things and a “suspension” until everything is agreed to.

Interesting to revisit after the Brissett extension and now a 3 year deal for Hoyer. Where does that leave Kelly - probably on the way out of another NFL city. Is his next stop going to be XFL next year?

Nope - just got rid of an overpriced RB - not sure where he ended up, but we do not need another - yet.

I think all of these guys were kick the tires - just in case - kind of guys. They typically do not have PS eligibility left and are really being looked at so they have them on file just in case. I do not see them signing any of these guys for the first couple of weeks. They will most likely let week 1 play out and see how injuries and roster make-up work and then will revisit these types of players.

I think the raw - small school guy with huge upside Gunner was referring to was our Darryl Johnson in that quote - not Noah Spence. Just my thought on the way it reads.

It doesn’t work because they traded 2 first round picks for a mid level LT nearing the end of his contract. It is already known he wants significant money and they did this without signing him to a future contract. Therefore they just screwed themselves with Clowney and now they put themselves in the same boat with Tunsil. If they got a contract done and it was 1 first rd pick - great, but 2 firsts and no contract means they have potentially put themselves in a bind and get little return for a questionable talent.

Actually - I just think he has a bit of luck so far. They brought in Waddle to be the swing tackle and he got hurt. McDermott was better than the other host of tackles they let go (Rhaney, Jones, Magnuson). We will see, but if they can get a better prospect - he will be gone, but I think he gives them swing OT depth for a few days - until everything settles down.

I do think it signals a change. All off season we heard they were going to have the offense go through the running game. I think game 2 showed them if they spread out and run the offense through Allen - he and the offense function better - spread out.

Maybe they had a weak offer from a crud team like Cincinnati and out of respect for Shady decided to allow him to determine his own fate.

Is that @Chandler#81 in his church league uniform after a 3 pointer. Better look into what church he went to.

Not true - we know he worked with Gaines on a long term extension that was nixed by O’Brien over the spring - so he obviously wanted to stay in Houston from the beginning- yes money was important, but so was avoiding playing on the tag. We also know that he fired his agent a week + ago just as the trade rumors really started - meaning he was not happy with the direction he was being given and did not want to be traded. Yes at this point the only control he has is his signature on the tag. He wanted a long term deal, but after July passed he is stuck with only the tag for 2019/20. There was little reason for him to sign early because he gets nothing extra. I think even now if the Texans agreed not to trade him on the tag he would sign right now and play the year out. He is withholding the signing because once he signs the Texans can trade him to whom ever they want and there are teams - see Miami - he has clearly made it clear he does not want to play for. From the discussion points it seems - ideally he would stay in Houston - then if they are going to trade it is Philly and Seattle- it seems obvious he wants nothing to do with Miami. If he is going to be traded - of course he wants to control the team as much as possible and I don’t blame him.

You have a problem with the language- the agents, players, NFLPA, media lawyers, fans, writers - they all have the same conclusion since we are over 20 years with the franchise tag and this same issue occurs every couple of years with the exact same outcome. The player either chooses to play on the franchise tag with his current or new team or sits out. Not once in over 20 years - in one of the most contentious pieces of the CBA - has anyone interpreted the language your way. I understand from whatever job you have you think it is ambiguous, but much of the CBA is like that (see the Wade threads and the IPP language), but the finality and usage is also discussed during the process and these form the agreed to guidance from players and NFLPA. I get you might say try to fight it and maybe you are right, but until that either happens or the new CBA - that is not a valid option and what has been reported for 20+ years is correct. Under the current rules as designed- he can only sign the financial terms of the tag with his current team and that is locked in for this entire football year at his time. Once the year is done he is free to begin negotiations with that team on a long term contract. My guess is you are totally missing a inter-related agreement in the CBA that adds to the understanding because it is pretty obvious that your interpretation is either incorrect or lacking at this current point and time.

I think he would have been happy up until the trade talk. He wanted to sign there long term and then planned to come up this week - prior to all of the trade garbage.