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Key question: Do we get Star and Spencer Brown back? Both are critically important

We all hope Dane is great, but losing White hurts a lot.

Let's not underestimate how devastating this is but also not pretend everything is doom and gloom. There's only one player on this team where we lose him and playoff and Super Bowl hopes are over. You don't have to be a Homer to acknowledge that's Josh Allen. However... I absolutely acknowledge White is the 2nd or 3rd most player on this team. Diggs is his only competition. But we do have a head coach who's a defensive coach who thrives off zone defenses and kinda helped make Josh Norman an All Pro in Carolina. I think we're in some trouble with White out, but hopefully getting Star and Brown back helps offset that a little. Our safeties are still the best tandem in the NFL and as much as a lot of us (including me) rag on Edmunds, you can just see the impact he has on the passing game. Anticipate lots of zone coverage moving forward. Get well Tre!

Can't wait for Mongo and Williams to come back, but Allen looked good against a VERY good defense tonight! One bad interception. One that really wasn't his fault. But we consistently moved the ball with relative ease against a top 10 defense. Loving what we did with Breida... hope Moss stays inactive. 0

Happy Thanksgiving and Aloha everyone! A big Mahalo for this game kicking off at 3:20 Hawaiian time!

Against Darius Leanard... good stuff.

Just about everyone is coming around to the "Moss sucks" boat. I'm exaggerating of course... he doesn't absolutely suck, but he's not remotely worthy of being a featured back and probably shouldn't be part of any 1-2 punch." https://theathletic.com/2975761/2021/11/24/will-the-bills-make-zack-moss-a-healthy-scratch-5-thoughts-and-a-prediction-for-the-thanksgiving-game/ 3. Why a Zack Moss healthy scratch makes sense this week The Bills saw a significant boost to their rushing game last week when Matt Breida was on the field. His strengths as a runner and the strengths of the offensive line mesh well, and the Bills are at the point of the season where they can’t ignore production. The most important factor is that Breida has done enough to deserve more opportunities on offense. However, something has to give from a game-day roster standpoint. If Breida is taking more snaps on offense, the Bills should lighten his load as a special-teams player, where he played on 77 percent of core-four special-teams units. Those special-teams snaps likely aren’t going to second-year runner Zack Moss, who hasn’t taken a core-four snap the entire season. Considering Moss’ lack of special-teams ability, his current struggles with decisiveness as a rusher and the Saints’ stout run defense between the tackles, making Moss a healthy scratch this week makes a lot of sense. It wouldn’t be completely giving up on Moss, but the Bills are past the point of waiting for production and need to maximize the running game. They’ve found some success with the pin-and-pull blocking that suits Breida and Devin Singletary more than Moss. If Moss is a healthy scratch, he’ll likely get another opportunity in the not-so-distant future. Man I hope Daboll and McDermott agree

Ummm... how about just getting Mongo and Brown back?

I didn't understand the TBA designation... why was that there?

or maybe you do... https://theathletic.com/2970405/2021/11/21/how-the-bills-run-defense-unraveled-against-the-colts-7-observations-from-sundays-blowout-loss?source=user-shared-article 6. Cole Beasley’s slight decline? The Bills limited Cole Beasley’s snaps early Sunday, just as they had in their previous two games. Beasley has dealt with a ribs injury, which is surely painful and has limited some of his effectiveness. However, the more significant problem might be that Beasley isn’t the explosive and shifty player he was last year. Throughout the season, even when healthy, Beasley hasn’t generated nearly the same separation that we’ve seen in previous seasons. Speed and the ability to quickly cut and gain separation can disappear quickly with older players, and once it goes, it’s tough to get back. Beasley remains a solid player against zone coverage, which will make him a big piece of the puzzle the rest of this season. But once Beasley starts to get back to full health, this is something to keep an eye on. Either way, the Bills need to give more time to second-year wide receiver Gabriel Davis, who is their second-most dynamic receiver behind Stefon Diggs.

https://theathletic.com/2970405/2021/11/21/how-the-bills-run-defense-unraveled-against-the-colts-7-observations-from-sundays-blowout-loss?source=user-shared-article 5. Matt Breida deserves to supplant Moss as a top-two RB The Bills’ running game wasn’t a big factor, but it’s hard to ignore how the backfield is trending. Initially, the Bills gave Devin Singletary and Zack Moss the first reps at running back and were hesitant to put Matt Breida on the field. But as the game continued, it was evident that the Bills were begging for a difference-maker with speed to help jump-start some things, and Breida was outstanding in limited chances. On the other hand, Moss looked slow and indecisive and was decidedly ineffective. With how he has performed over the past two weeks, the Bills need to seriously consider making Breida their new 1B to Singletary’s 1A. Singletary at least made some people miss Sunday, while Moss is a nonfactor. Because Moss doesn’t play on special teams, it wouldn’t be a surprise if he’s a healthy scratch next week or in the future if his struggles continue against the Saints.

Why is it time to go on record? What are you going to do to us if we say yes? For the record, I think we CAN still be a Super Bowl team and probably still will be a playoff team. As awful as today was, we're somehow still 1 loss behind the #1 seed. The AFC just generally sucks... or is universally good... can't figure out which it is. Regardless, as bad as he was today, we have an Elite QB. That goes a long way in this conversation. What today (and last year, for that matter) should make us realize is how integral and underrated Star is to this D. Do I think we would've won with him alone? No. But Taylor wouldn't have had the game he had. Add Edmunds and Spencer Brown missing along with McKenzie's gift of a TD and Daboll's infuriating insistence on Moss over Breida and I think we could be a much better team against the Colts if we see them in the playoffs.

Moss is useless. Breida should have been seeing more snaps today. I thought last week was indicative of a real philosophical shift for the offense. Guess not.

Is Brown playing? Anyone???

I love Josh Allen

Why do you keep responding if you're done arguing about it? This is now multiple times you've done that. Oh... I see... you need the last word because you believe that if you're the last one to claim victory--albeit in a shallow and childish manner... about on par with all of your arguments--then you somehow "win." Got it. I'm very much understanding you as a poster now. I thought at first you were reasonable and open to evidence. Have it your way. Enjoy your day. Go Bills!

Amazing you're still just COMPLETELY ignoring that 2nd bobble. While the 1st bobble that you evidently claim (also amazing the fact that you think we should trust you that still is the moment he has control when all we can see is a foot) you've taken a still shot of at the moment he gains control is potentially debatable--though if you bothered watching those slomo angles I held your hand through, you wouldn't think that--the 2nd bobble is undeniably after his right foot is off the ground. Thus it's not a catch and you're completely incorrect. But you're dug in and seem to have an inability to admit you're wrong--and about something incredibly inconsequential for that matter. So let's just enjoy our weekend and await Davis's next big game.

You're absolutely right here... you're analysis is probably better to be ignored here now based on not your initial belief but based on what is now clearly a refusal to actually look at the evidence laid out before you. You believe his toe is down before the major bobble. Possibly arguable (though if you went through that slomo video in the seconds I gave you, you'd change your mind) even though you're asking us to trust that still frame is at a certain moment... not an efficient way of presenting evidence AT ALL. But all the while you're ignoring the time it takes Davis to get control of the football. You clearly see it almost jump out of his hands as he grabs after it again looooong after his right foot is off the ground and probably after his left, too. You never "guided" us through any evidence. You basically just show a still frame and ask everyone to believe you. You're so sensitive.

Yes there is. I already guided you through it... but you probably didn't bother taking your homer glasses off for a moment and watching it objectively. This is a stupid and inconsequential discussion because it literally didn't matter if he caught it or not. Gabriel Davis is awesome and needs to see the field more. He also has incredible sideline awareness and makes some unbelievable legal toe tapping catches. It's just that this wasn't one of them, and that's okay.

Ahhh... 2 posters who evidently believe refs are infallible and don't make mistakes. Bet I don't need to go far in either of your posting history to prove the hypocrisy of this logic. Scott... yeah the ref did call it a catch. Refs make mistakes. Shady... a professional, singular, called it a catch. The Jets aren't crying about it because it made no difference as far as the outcome of the game goes AND there was a DPI that would have given us the ball there, anyway. But you guys should go out for drinks with each other and talk more about this non catch.

No. Just no. But you clearly have tunnel vision and are allowing your eyes and brain to distort reality.

Really not a good sign for us if Star is out. Jonathan Taylor is the best RB in the NFL now that Henry is out... and look what Henry did to us a month ago.

So we're supposed to just take your word for it that a zoomed in image is after that bobble? Do you actually know which bobble I'm even talking about? Watch this video graciously posted by @billsfan1959 Watch beginning at second 44. At first you think he might have it at second 48... which is possibly when you take your still--we don't know... we apparently just have to take your word for it. But as you watch from that angle you can see the ball is still moving and actually almost jumps out of his hands and he doesn't regain full control until second 52/53, when his right foot is undeniably in the air and his left foot also probably is. Then go to 1:02 and from the back angle you can see his right foot is up in the air after he gains control. This is a stupid argument because it was inconsequential in terms of the game. If it was challenged, we would have ended up there anyway. It's also inconsequential because it's still a great representation of Davis's incredible concentration and talent. And we KNOW he's great at those sideline catches already. It's just that this one wasn't actually a catch. That's okay. Davis still needs more field time. It's just that it wasn't a catch. And you're weird obstinate obsession arguing that it was doesn't change that.