transplantbillsfan

Your refusal to factor in rushing yards and TDs in the NFL MVP conversation in today's NFL proves you're just being obstinate. 2015 NFL MVP Cam Newton and 2019 NFL MVP Lamar Jackson called me and told me to tell you that.

How can that not be an angry run nominee? He has to break 3 tackles. And they were all tackles that should have happened. The one guy hanging onto his waste should have had him and then the 2 guys in front of him should have had him. Allen is just a special angry beast.

Over the last few days we've had 2 of the biggest MVP candidates talked about in this thread essentially exit the conversation. Kyler Murray has an ankle injury that's going to keep him out 1-3 weeks. Still possible for him, but I don't even think he would be a favorite over Allen pre-injury. Henry--unfortunately for all real football fans--is done for weeks and potentially the season. Such a shame.

Brady just sealed a loss throwing a pick 6 today. He's played 1 more game than Allen so he has a handful more TDs but also a handful more Turnovers. Stafford? Really? Yeah... he's definitely in the MVP conversation, but he wouldn't be so far ahead of Allen, if at all. He's played 1 more game and has 2 more TDs and the same number of Turnovers. And they average about the same amount of yards per game. And Murray is about to exit the MVP conversation because he's gonna miss 1-3 games with an ankle injury. And besides, he's also played 1 more game than Allen, has the same number of TDs and a handful more Turnovers. This is not going well for you.

Why is Brady one of the only 2 choices and not Allen? Brady has played 1 more game than Allen and yes he has 6 more TDs but also a few more Turnovers. And in terms of Yards per game they're about even when you include rushing yards. And both teams have 2 losses. And the game losing pick six

Who would be in the top 3?

Ummm... who ya got ahead of him?

Anyone else wonder why we bother running the ball sometimes? Solid game by Josh. It seemed clear our OL was a lesser version of itself without Brown at RT. Sloppy 1st half but the team looked much stronger in the 2nd. Love the focus on getting Beasley the ball. Anyone else impressed that for what appeared to be an average game for Allen still had him with over 300 total yards, 3 TDs and 0 turnovers?

I've made my case. Argue with people in the NFL or who make their living working with them and studying them:

Ummmm... are you being serious? I said Allen is the most physically gifted QB in the NFL and possibly NFL history. Natural gifts broadens the scope too much to intangibles like mental makeup, leadership, competitiveness and instincts--though I'd say Allen is in the upper echelon of 3/4 of those... to me it's his instincts that could hold him back. I'm going to repeat the physical traits that Allen has that really can't be taught: Size... and I'm talking height and body frame combined. Herbert and Lawrence might be taller, but they don't have Allen’s thick frame. That matters for obvious reasons including injury risk and diffdifficulty to tackle. Strength... Herbert and Lawrence aren't as strong as Allen. No QB in the NFL is as strong as him from toes to shoulders. Also matters for obvious reasons like shedding tacklers, which we've seen Allen do over and over. Speed... Lamar and Kyler are faster, but they don't compare to Allen in other categories. It's pretty obvious to anyone watching Allen that he has unique speed especially for a man his size. Athleticism... I said elusiveness before, but even that should fall under the category of athleticism. And I say that because of the hurdling of defenders we've seen from Allen. He’s also twitchy and elusive for a guy his size. Arm Strength... obviously unique to a QB so a separate category from Strength in general. The only QBs comparable in terms of arm strength to Allen would be Mahomes and Rodgers. So yes, Allen is more physically gifted than Herbert and Lawrence. I agree.

Allen is a combination of size, speed, elusiveness and arm strength that you simply can't teach. Those are what you call "traits" because you really don't get noticeably better at them. What you mentioned that he lacks is touch. That can be taught. Greg Cosell has called Allen the most physically gifted QB in the NFL on multiple occasions.

Allen might be the most physically gifted QB to ever play the position. He also has a farm boy work ethic and has been overlooked as a QB most of his life. Mahomes is great. I believe Allen will be greater. Give me Allen.

Wait... what? Beasley was our #3 WR last year and he's our #3 WR this year. The difference is that we've had a Tight End who's been exceptional so far this year... Get healthy Knox!!!

My Dad says Jim Brown

Hmmm... this was a pretty useless post. I see he's #10. Was that supposed to debunk something I said? If so, do you have a medical problem where you can't see zeros and you actually thought he was #1? I wonder if you actually read that post. Also, based on these pretty useless posts, I think it's important for you to go see a therapist regarding your severe insecurity over your online persona.

https://theathletic.com/news/dak-prescott-kyler-murray-tied-for-no-1-in-nfl-2021-mvp-odds-via-betmgm/uQPsVTAdQg1d/ Vegas seems to think Allen is just behind Dak and Kyler.

Got it... you're just dense. Thanks for clearing that up

Are you being intentionally obstinate or are you really just this dense?

Oh I see... you're trying desperately to win an argument of semantics by not considering the need to immediately run the play as opposed to calling a timeout and giving the D time to prepare. The whole point is catching the D off guard when running those QB sneaks and running the play right away. That's how Brady has always done it.

Does everyone saying Lamar should be MVP watch him? He's not bad, but he's had 1 great game against a bad team that nearly won. He had a game against a now 0-6 team his HOF kicker bailed him out against. He's had 2 games where he's had more Turnovers than TDs. And the first time his team dominated another good team this season it was really all about Baltimore's D, not him. And I also have to say that as much as we all want to see Allen fix his fumbling issues, Jackson has much further to go in doing that. So... 2 plays are your entire argument?

Didn't say he was the frontrunner

Carr is having a really good season, not at an MVP level so far. Herbert has been too up and down. I don't agree with your tiers, but I think all 7 of those guys from Allen up on your list are bunched closely together. Allen’s not at the front, but he's still one of the frontrunners. Part of this is also projecting what's coming. We're going from the toughest 2 game stretch (where Allen played fantastic in primetime... even in a loss) to a bye week immediately after a loss (the McDermott Buffalo Bills are 5-0 coming off the bye) with the easiest 4 game stretch on our schedule. Buffalo only has 1 more game against an obvious playoff team. Last night Josh excelled despite playing a defense that was clearly prepared for him, sub par offensive line play and a reversion to pretty much no running game. Is anyone going to bet that he's not going to come out in Orchard Park absolutely on fire against the Dolphins? He already OWNS the Dolphins! Then it's Jags, Jets, Colts before 2 primetime games in a row against the Saints and Patriots. All this is to say that even after an ugly game 1 and shaky game 2, Allen has rounded into his 2020 MVP form and has put himself up in the group of frontrunners. Can't wait to see what comes after the bye.

Loved the idea to go for it. Hated the hesitation and lack of preparation in doing it that gave Tennessee enough time to prepare for it.

Context bruh Call should ALWAYS be in your back pocket without having to call a timeout so that the D doesn't have time to prepare for the play. Are you new being a Bills fan? Those of us who've been around for awhile watched Brady do that to us and everyone else successfully for nearly 20 years