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Indefensible? Says random dude on a message board who has probably never even played the position before. Still so angry, I see. Someone pointed out Wentz as a guy consistently audibling from the time he got under center in the NFL, but does anyone really know if every other NFL QB can (coach's permission) and does (ability) audible consistently and effectively in and out of plays? Does Newton? It sure didn't look like it Sunday when he called a couple timeouts pretty clearly saying he couldn't hear the call in his helmet. Mariota? Prescott? Indefensible? Yeah, I don't think Taylor's alone there, bro.

I agree with all of this. I just hope the Carolina game will be a learning experience for Dennison.

This is just faulty logic. Arguably Taylor's worst game in his entire career was a Win. That being the 2016 Bengals game. You don't give Taylor credit for that game the way you're trying to give Cam credit for the Win on Sunday. I'm not football brilliant, but this QB discussion always devolves into Ws and Ls being placed solely on the QB's shoulders. It's just the equivalent of football stupid. Everyone is going to get their friggin wish next year, okay? We're going to have a guy who will supposedly be our "franchise QB" pretty confidently in place. Peterman is not going to be that guy. Even if he comes into the game and starts the rest of the season, he needs to essentially play like a madman and lead us to multiple playoff victories in order for us to not draft a guy high next year. Taylor is the team's best opportunity to Win at the moment. One of the reasons clearly is that he doesn't turn the ball over and we have yet another HC with that defensive mentality. That's largely what I think Dennison meant this week when he said Taylor gave us the opportunity to win or whatever exactly he said. This is a team that looks like it has an Elite D. If our offense can find its footing, maybe the team can make a run. And vets like Lorax and Meatball are pretty clearly expecting this team to try to make a legitimate playoff run. Throwing a 5th round rookie in there isn't demonstrating that to those guys. If the passing game we had in Carolina happens again over the next couple weeks, I expect we'll see a QB change after the bye, but not likely before.

Except that you'll notice I've been posting about a lot of other subjects lately. Trying to abide by that rule I didn't know about regarding posting about a variety of subjects. In other words, Cam might never be the same. Right?

Well, that explains the Coleman signing.

You're too cute with all your childish name calling. I don't know why you let me get under your skin so easily. It blinds you and makes you think things are happening that aren't, I guess. Cam Newton has been my focus in terms of discussion and interest in this thread that pretty directly and clearly states it's about Cam. Oh well, Wednesday is here tomorrow and so is Broncos week. You going to take me up on the bet I offered you and your crew?

Wanna take me up on the same bet I offered Crusher?

I am going to put this up again. It's the third or fourth time I've done it and I directed it at you and a couple of your crew, but anyone can play along I guess. Friendly wager with no extreme consequences: Bills win and you (and whoever) can't say a single negative thing the week leading up to the Atlanta game. Bills lose and I can't say a single positive thing leading up to the Atlanta game. Should be good fun. You in?

When I go, I go to watch my team win, And our D is more than just a suffocating run D. But I will say that Shaq rolling over the RB on that final drive in the goal line D was pretty exciting.

Is it boring because of our offense, then? Because I think our defense is really exciting to watch. I guess generally people don't enjoy watching defense? But man, our defense looks like it can be one of the elite defenses in the NFL by the end of the year. Let's just hope it's a chemistry problem with the offense and that they will put it together. Here's to hoping

I like Wentz's future prospects better than Newton, then. In a vacuum, I take Wentz. I'd also take Winston over Newton even though I still can't stand the off-the-field stuff from college. I think I'd take Mariota, too. You think Newton is better than Luck? I don't. And Luck's another guy I've always thought is overrated. I think Prescott benefits more from the team around him and wouldn't put him above Newton. I agree with your list up to that point, though. So just taking those individual cases, that puts him at 13.

No, I'm not a liar, you're just part of the group that's always angry. You quoted me in a post where I don't even say Taylor's name but make a passing reference to him, mainly because of how hypocritical your post was in the things you point out with him? I'm sorry, but clearly Newton was still the topic of conversation and has been for most of the thread, as much as I know you enjoy attacking me. I hear risperidone is a good drug to treat overly aggressive behavior. Maybe you should ask your doctor about it. are we going with "at this moment" or are we going with the better overall QB? If we're going with "at this moment," Alex Smith is clearly better than Newton.

Ummmm... any ideas who the hell we're going and getting? Maybe we're calling Reilly up from the PS

Did you think this thread was directed at you? And let me put it this way, too. I think the league is a little watered down with QBs right now. QB play is fantastic because of all the rule changes. But I don't think the QB ability reflects the production. So I don't really think talking about him in this "ranked" way compared with today's QBs is relevant. It's more a reflection that the argument has been, for years, that Cam Newton is an Elite QB. I think there are 4 Elite QBs in the NFL: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Big Ben. Cam doesn't even belong in that conversation. And when all is said and done, I'll be curious to see how good Goff, Wentz and Prescott actually are. I think Wentz might be better than Cam. Goff looks good right now. And I also think Mariota and Winston might jump him. And I think Luck is better than him, though I don't know if he's ever going to have the team surrounding him to justify all the pre-draft hype that surrounded him. If that guy doesn't win a Super Bowl before his career is over, that's going to be a massive letdown for him and the Colts, assuming he remains there. Actually I've been trying to stick to Newton alone, except for my disclaimer at the beginning. Folks are definitely bringing him in, though. So as this has progressed I'm just rolling with the conversation. And victim? I don't feel victimized. You mistake my confusion for me playing the victim. Why people choose to come into threads they literally don't care to discuss is pretty confusing, to me.

If you don't care, why are you here? I avoid threads I don't care about, why don't you do the same?

Probably more like 11-15 for me. A lot of the young guys leave things up in the air for me needing to see more from the likes of Prescott, Wentz, Goff and even Mariota and Winston.

I'm not looking for articles right now or anything, but I know there's been a narrative in Seattle that Wilson has a lot of the same issues. There was a lot of speculation that they'd draft a QB high to kinda push him competitively. Obviously, they didn't. But there's definitely concern regarding several of the same things.

Yep. Super irritating.

RF, I like the take, and not because it takes blame off anyone. Look, sitting in the bar where I was watching the game, I told the guy next to me it wouldn't shock me if there's a QB change at the half and I wouldn't be upset, either. My feelings on Taylor are a lot more ambiguous than some of you think they are. I've been trying to establish that I'm excited about our future at the position because by 2018, one of two things will have happened: 1) Taylor will have such a good year in 2017 that we'll be pretty confident he's the guy leading us forward. or 2) We will draft our future at the position, regardless of whether Taylor is retained for 2018, which he might be. At this point, whether it's because the coaches just want a really conservative game plan or they just don't trust putting a bigger passing load on Taylor because they don't think he can handle it or he really can't handle it, I don't think we're going to see #1 happen. Everyone said in the offseason we were obviously going to pass the ball a ton more than the last two years like it was obvious. I wish we would, but I don't know why it was so obvious. And no, I'm not saying I wish we would pass the ball a ton more because I think Taylor would turn into a superstar. Unlike so many on this message board, I don't really know what Taylor would do if he were given a heavy passing load. What frustrated the hell outta me in the Carolina game was our game plan. I hope Dennison learns from it. Players need to execute, too, obviously. But I'm tired of these slow starts that extend for entire halves until we're desperate and need to open the game up. Sink or swim. Let Taylor throw the ball 35 times a game. He's successful, good for 2017 for him and the team and maybe the future depending on how successful. He sucks, good for 2018 because we'll probably be in position to draft a guy. When we started moving the ball on that last drive, it was the first time in awhile I actually felt like we were going to score a TD. Then the OPI happened and I lost it. Then it was back for the flash of an instant when I saw the ball in the air and Zay open. Then heartbreak. Oh the life of a Bills fan.

Prove? I said the big takeaway is that Cam is overrated. It has not a thing to do with Taylor even though people are bringing him into the conversation. I'll probably talk about this for another day then we're onto Denver!

Wohoo!!! Thurm is back with his hot takes and now he can read minds. I am so freaking jealous! I mean, in a post where I'm talking entirely about Cam, he somehow knows that I'm really talking about someone else I don't talk about at all. Wow! How does he do that?!?! Damn, where's the sarcasm icon

Bravo! Excellent post!

Yep. And Cam has a lot of familiarity with his weapons at this point. Since the whole All-22 seems to be a theme in other discussions today, I think some folks should go take a look at how incredibly wide open Cam's WRs were on several plays.

Did you confuse Taylor with Newton on Sunday? Yep. Pretty easy to see. Now go watch how wide friggin open Carolina's WRs are. PS-MAJBobby is on a MAJMission today!!!

Why? I guarantee you're reading all of YPP's commentary and factoring in those comments as you watch the clips. This is why you should watch these plays without the commentary. The tweet you just posted they said "I just don't understand why the ball isn't being thrown." The exact same play posted on cover1's breakdown of All-22: "Double tosser concept again on 3rd-long. Daring him to throw it underneath. Pump fakes to get it to Clay but not there. Gets to Shady for Fg" Time to start thinking for ourselves folks!