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Why is that? I love this place so much... always living solely in the moment. Like rabid dogs some posters have to go to one extreme or another. After the Jets, we had the "Tyrod Taylor 2.0" thread. After Carolina, it's this. Truth, as always, lies in the middle. We're drafting a QB next year, but when is still up in the air. And whether Taylor is still in Buffalo is still up in the air. People, we have 14 games left this season. If what happened against Carolina on Sunday happens for the next few games, I absolutely think Taylor will be benched at the bye. But what exactly makes anyone think that what happened Sunday will happen multiple games in a row? If you're so confident it'll happen, go here for a friendly wager regarding Sunday's game: https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/196527-bills-w-taylor-200-yards-a-fun-tbd-bet-this-gloomy-week/ But the reality is likely going to be that Taylor's going to have a pretty solid game in the next few games and that benching won't happen. Sunday will be the toughest challenge defensively Taylor may face for the rest of the year and personally, I think the coaches are going to come out with passing more in the game plan and Taylor's going to have a better game. But even if he has a great game, he is what he is, which is not going to be an Elite, HOF QB. But he can absolutely still be good enough the rest of the season to not only stick around in 2018, which I think is actually much more likely than unlikely, but also good enough to make it so that McBean don't feel forced to give up all their resources to trade up as high as possible for a QB. I still think we're drafting a QB in the first round or two, barring some incredible turn of events in terms of Taylor's level of play that would require Dennison opening up the offense, something I don't think he's willing to do. But as fun as all your definitive statements are to read and discuss, you really don't have a clue. Neither do I, which is why I try very hard not to speak in such absolute terms, although I'm sure even as I type that someone's searching for the last time I did exactly that. And I really look forward to reading that

What? The Cards almost beat the Pats in week 1 and absolutely manhandled the Bucs in week 2 of 2016. They absolutely did look that great coming into Buffalo.

Dude, it's offensive design. Can't you see that? Peterman might come in and play better, but he won't be chucking it down the field.

I understand it's tricky. Bets are meant to be tricky, aren't they?

I know, just felt like adding that for good measure

Direct quote from Taylor in the same PC that got this headline: "We definitely have certain packages where I can audible."

Does it say? Dude, go listen to what he says. This thread is a bit of a joke in itself with what it's devolved (though I don't think it ever started out very high in the first place) into in the way it largely takes things out of context. Is your username meant to be ironic? "Hey look! Here's a headline and I'm gonna take it for a fact and not look at any of the contacts at all!" But that's no surprise, it's just modern day America. Why should a sports message board be any different? Direct quote from Taylor in the same PC that got this headline: "We definitely have certain packages where I can audible." You asked if he said he can audible. He said he can audible. Misinformation and misrepresentation and flat out fallacies is what we're getting in this thread. And it's just sad. You said he had zero influence at the LOS. That's flat out wrong. Where the hell did the middle go? Why is everyone so goddamn extreme nowadays?

Just passing yards. How many yards Taylor passes for. If you wanted to include sack yardage then I would argue you'd also have to include scramble yardage, the positive opposite of the sack. So as much as you might be concerned that he might lose 30 yards in sacks. How much did he gain in scrambling? 40? 55? This isn't a thread for debating that issue right now, you know my feelings on it already I'm sure. So, we are just talking about the amount of yards Taylor throws for, that's it.

Tyrod Taylor asked how much freedom he has to audible: "We're getting to that." Says he doesn't have free rein but getting more each week That sure sounds like the Bills do audible and Taylor has been doing it. Do people really even care about the truth at this point, though?

Why do I need to do the legwork? You're the one making the claim that it's indefensible that Taylor is restricted in terms of audibling. If you're making the claim, it's on you to prove that all NFL QBs are allowed to do it. Why would I do the leg-work you should do? Your making a sweeping claim with an underlying assumption that may or may not be true. And if it's not true, your entire claim of it being "indefensible" falls apart at the seams. I don't need to play devil's advocate. Make a stronger argument. Oh now gimme a break here. You think that the comments that have come out indicate that Taylor has zero influence at the LOS? That's a stretch, to say the least. See, this is where stupid hyperbolic statements annoy me. This is the tweet from Sal Capaccio regarding those comments... and you tell me if what you've said here isn't a little ridiculous: Tyrod Taylor asked how much freedom he has to audible: "We're getting to that." Says he doesn't have free rein but getting more each week

nonononono... I never said he couldn't do it. 2 things come into play with audibling: 1) A player's ability cognitively to do it AND 2) A coach allowing the QB the freedom to audible in his offense You're jumping to conclusions about me saying something I never said. And there ya go, now he has it this year. Do all other QBs have the same "free reign?"

If that's how you see this, that's fine. But it's not meant to imply that you want the Bills to lose or our QB to have a bad game. It's for those who are as much of a Bills fan as any of the rest of us, but pretty concretely and confidently feel that this team doesn't stand a chance on Sunday OR Taylor is going to throw for less than 200 yards. I thought that much was obvious. And I figured posters like you, Crusher, xRushx, and old school would totally be in. All you do if you lose the bet is say positive things only about the Bills for a week if you lose the bet. Wouldn't be so hard considering your team just won and your QB probably had a decent game against a really great defense, would it? Fair enough and fine by me

Then you still win. My side has 2 pieces of criteria to meet. Your side has only 1. So it's less of a fair bet for us. But no crazy consequences so it's all good. So you in jmc?

Then you're just betting the 2nd option. If the Bills Win and Taylor goes over 200, you are only allowed to say positive things about the Bills up until Bills @ Falcons kickoff. So, I'm going to put you down, but let me know if you didn't mean to. No worries either way. Word

Says it in the OP So, you in, Crusher?

What? It's a simple bet, dude. I said 200+ passing yards and a Win. I never said anything about converting runs to pass yards. Garbage time yards? If the Bills win and Taylor throws for over 200 yards, how would garbage time yards come into play? Exactly. I thought that was pretty clear. Not in, then. Got it. Should have put up a poll. But you are not betting on that, correct?

Damn. You're right, I should have made a poll. Can I still do it after I created the thread or do I need a mod to do it? So, you're in?

I know, man, I'm sorry. I originally just made it "Bills W" vs. "Bills L," but then I knew we might have a stellar defensive game. So much of the talk has been about Taylor this week, figured I should involve him in the bet, which really favors all of those doom and gloomers since I've got 2 criteria to meet and they only have 1.

https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/196527-bills-w-taylor-200-yards-a-fun-tbd-bet-this-gloomy-week/ Anyone who feels this strongly might want to consider a little friendly wager... mosy on over

Is that your version of "I'm in?" You don't have to be. I suppose this thread would just be a discussion point, too... but we have several of those already.

you just need either a L OR Taylor under 200 yards. No worries. Wasn't accusing you of anything. You don't have to root against him. If you think he won't, you losing is simply that you have to talk positively about everything Billsy for one week. Is that really so hard?

I read a lot of posts here prophesizing how we're going to get our butts whooped on Sunday and Taylor isn't even going to surpass 100 yards passing. To some of those posters, I've been trying to put out this fun little bet with what I think are kinda fun consequences. I'm going to put this out in a thread to see if there are any takers. If there are no takers, I guess no bet. But considering how absolutely so many posters here speak about what will happen this coming Sunday, I'll be surprised if there are no takers. It's simple, just say "I'm in for (Bills L OR Taylor under 200 yards) OR (Bills W and Taylor over 200 yards passing)" If you bet the Bills L OR Taylor under 200 yards, but the Bills Win AND Taylor passes for over 200 yards- You agree that you won't say a single negative thing about the team as a whole, players on the team individually, coaches, etc on TBD all the way up until kickoff when we play the Falcons the following week. If you bet the Bills W and Taylor over 200 yards, but the Bills Lose OR Taylor passes for less than 200 yards- You agree that you won't say a single positive thing about the team as a whole, players on the team, individually, coaches, etc on TBD all the way up until kickoff when we play the Falcons the following week. No prodding or personally attacking the other side if they lose, we'll just all expect them to abide by the terms of the bet, which will only last a week. I'm in for the Bills W and Taylor over 200 yards. Need at least one poster to bet against that, but wouldn't this be so much more fun if all the prophets came out and really demonstrated how great they are at prophesizing? Updated with people in the bet @ 8:17 am Hawaiian time W & >200 yards transplantbillsfan r00tabaga Scott7975 BUFFALOKIE goldenboy81 Marty McFly NewMexBills JerseyBills simool billsfan60 ​McBean L OR <200 yards ​The Wiz YoloinOhio Bangarang GoBills808​ joesixpack EasternOHBillsFan MAJBobby Luxy312 LABILLBACKER FadingPain Real McCoy Crusher ndirish1978 old school

Isn't this already being discussed in more than one place? I thought TWD really frowned upon thread after thread after thread discussing the same subject? Just trying to clarify, 'cause I'm confused

Kinda part of my initial point. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be in Carolina's position at QB right now. I think they're stuck with Newton for at least another 5 years or so. And as much as people are pointing to his age as some kind of proof he's in his prime, they don't seem to be considering all the hits and injuries piling up on him, which are clearly taking their toll physically and probably (as you reference) mentally, as well. That statement above is not me comparing Newton to Taylor or saying I'd rather have Taylor in any way, whatsoever. I like the position we're in at QB because we aren't stuck with an average to barely above average QB (and that's what I believe Cam is at this point) for the next half decade or so. We're able to address the position in a serious manner in less than a calendar year

You posted that article as though it's proof Mariota is audibling freely at the line and it's not. I know Mariota and like him a lot. I think he has the ability to do it. But the article you just posted proves pretty much the opposite of what you were saying. And also, you're implying that Taylor can't dissect what he's seeing on the field when he has to make snap decisions pretty consistently based on what he sees. For example, back in 2015 against the Titans when Taylor scored that TD on the draw play: That was a designed draw and was something that we practiced on against a certain look. There were two plays called in the huddle and we got up and they gave us the look that we wanted to get and I was able to make a play.