Boatdrinks

Ahh. Just what we need, another noob starting Pats* threads. This is a freaking Bills board, enough damn Patriots* crap on here to make you think you’re surrounded by chowderheads.

I’m not even sure where to start with this nonsensical take. First, a FICO score has nothing to do with income level. One could have a FICO of 800 but not enough income to afford a Mercedes payment. However, that is beside the point. If you’ve been paying attention - a BIG if given the content of your post - most stadiums are not constructed with 100% public money these days. It’s a mix of private and public funding.A new or heavily ( read :very expensive $$) renovated stadium is almost a certainty at this point. The only unlikely scenario in all of this is the team remaining in NEF in its current form.

Ha ha , good one lime. But to be clear, I have sat in many locations throughout Rich/ NEF our the years. 50 yard line, tunnel end zone, corner, 35 yard line, corporate suite, club level and even the upper deck. By far my favorite location was my long held seasons in section B7 row 30. But contrary to your assumption about my personal preferences, this discussion isn’t about what I want. It’s about what the Pegulas and the Bills organization might be thinking about their business model going forward. As Kirby has sagely pointed out, this is inevitable. Yes, there are climate controlled luxury box seats available, but that isn’t the same as sitting in the stands in a climate controlled facility. There just isn’t much pricing power for the experience NEF currently offers. The problems you describe are intrinsically tied to the building itself. The team is looking to increase their revenues, and the stadium is a huge issue in that regard. Regardless of what you, I or any other fans on this board want the status quo isn’t a realistic view of what the team’s stadium future will be.

Research and more research. They won’t attend at the current facility most likely. Pricing power even at a renovated NEF will be limited by the lack of climate control among other things. The Bills are a business, so all of this will be very carefully planned.

That’s what the Pegulas market research is going to determine. Some will, and some won’t. Not much different than other fans throughout the county and beyond. However, your cited best reasons to attend are likely some of their biggest reasons for staying away. Regardless, the Pegulas won’t be interested in a building a new stadium to promote a social atmosphere ,if that’s what they decide to do. Their interest lies in maximizing current revenue streams as well as creating opportunities for new ones.

This^ There is an untapped , more upscale market in Buffalo and its environs that stays away from games at the current facility. This is due to the lack of climate control and a certain segment of fans that currently attends. Some are too absorbed in their own situation to acknowledge / realize that this market exists. This isn’t the early 1980’s in Buffalo. The bargain basement ticket prices and the setup outside the stadium encourage well publicized behaviors that keep the deeper pockets out of the picture. A new climate controlled stadium changes this in a big way.

Viewership rebounded last year and the top rated tv programs in any given week are usually NFL games. The NYJ are the stepchild to the Giants in that market and that’s always how it’s been. As for the Pegulas, they are doing a lot of research and studies into what the market can bear and what improvements are necessary to appeal to the fan willing to spend more.

Not really. As much as everything the league does is set up to achieve parity and prevent a Patriots type thing from happening, we are still mired in it. Actually to the point of mind- numbing sameness and boredom. The better teams don’t always get the bye; those in weaker divisions often end up with them. The better rested teams often advance. Bye weeks don’t really assure that the best teams move on.

None of this Stadium talk has anything to do with who you or I want to attend games. It’s based on who the Pegulas and their brain trust decide is their target market to increase the team’s revenues.

Younger white voters have bought into the idea of “ shaming” and white guilt, sadly. It’s bad and deteriorating every day.

Probably. It’s a sad state of affairs, but that’s become the world we live in and it’s still getting worse.

He definitely took major steps to prevent it. Without that, their situation in BUF was tenuous at best. Probably were the most vulnerable team in the league in that regard.

The Pats are really an anomaly . They won’t be vulnerable until Brady retires or his play falls off in a major way. That’s the main thing that weighs against the Bills dethroning them. Not roster turnover on either team.

If the owners are paying to build, the prices have to be high to get a significant ROV. Of course, CAL and NYC are in a league of their own when it comes to this.

While Buffalo doesn’t have the corporate presence to sell more suites, I disagree on the raising of revenue overall. There is plenty of room for that in this market, which currently has the lowest average ticket price in the league. There is an upscale market that remains largely untapped who simply won’t attend games at the current venue. This is largely due to weather and the presence of a segment of fans that currently goes to the games. This won’t change without a new venue. The stadium isn’t exactly crumbling to the ground, but it’s a woefully outdated relic from a different era of the NFL from a business standpoint.

And that is what this whole thing is really about. A new stadium = a new target demographic. They need a majorly upgraded experience to sell them, though. I don’t think that happens to the same degree with a renovated NEF. There’s only so much that’s actually possible before the cost approaches new build territory. A climate controlled environment would be a big selling point to a market that currently doesn’t attend games frequently. It just comes down to what the Pegulas decide they want.

Pretty good analysis. BUF presents a unique situation because of the things you cited, not the least of which is the owners. It really comes down to what do the Pegulas really want ? You cited an average, so the actual difference is substantial. Not minimal. Temps aren’t considered comfortable for most until it hits around 60. 50’’s is at least a light jacket and only seems decent to those used to BUF weather or worse.

Love the Bucks ! Stuck here for another 5-7 years lol. Many years in and a big hit to my pension to leave now. I’ll live, but it’s getting tougher as the weather is getting worse.

Yep, high five degrees warmer than BUF on average.That means more days in the 60s, which is a lot closer to comfortable. Trees didn’t have leaves in BUF much before Memorial Day and cherry blossoms were still around. That’s over a month after Columbus OH and a whopping two months after DC area.

But there will be someone to step in and pay it, if the Bills are in a new stadium. If it’s a reno, the PSL would have to be very low cost.

I think the projected cost of a full reno was around $500 million the last time it came up and the County rejected it. I’d guess it’s substantially higher now. The design of Rich/ NEF doesn’t lend itself to major modifications , so it will be pricey to modernize.

I’d like my chances of a decent day in CLE at the end of April much better than in BUF.

Many pools in BUF probably haven’t opened yet. Seriously, we’ve hit the upper 70’s maybe twice so far. If I still had my place in the ‘burbs with inground pool I may not have even bothered to open it yet. It was barely open 100 days a year in a good summer.

They might have similar weather, but BUF has morphed into two seasons really. Spring doesn’t exist and winter starts on around November 1st.

Surprised it came from GMF as that show features more Patriot ball-washing than most. They throw a hot take out there once in awhile to keep other teams fans ( mildly) interested.