oldmanfan

Your last sentence is a flat out lie. The total population of individuals 15-30 in the US is about 80 million, and according to the CDC there have been 4000 deaths from Covid in that age group. So that’s about 0.005 %. Data is known for the only significant complication associated with the vaccine that appears to affect the younger population, myocarditis. The incidence of that post-vaccination was 0.00017 percent and of those a handful of them resulted in death with most resolving spontaneously. So there is at least a 50 fold greater risk of dying from Covid in that age group vs. the one known complication in that age group. There are mild side effects such as muscle soreness and stuff, but if you’re going to include those in your chances of a son having issues above what Covid would cause then you’re a hopeless case. Plus I’m only talking about mortality in that age group and not morbidities, for which we’re only scratching the surface of currently.

They’ve done so because mild infections that don’t lead to hospitalization aren’t what kills people. We all know or should know the delta variant is more infectious, but I agree they need to explain these things much better. I would have presented all data on infections through deaths from the beginning to today.

No. It is about saving lives, always has been, always will be.

Then go get Covid and die if you’re willing to give your life. And when you’re gasping for breath and declare like many have when in their death bed that you should have gotten the vaccine, it will be too late. I would be 99% sure this anesthesiologist and the other guy got their childhood vaccines, got their yearly flu vaccines as that is required by many health care organizations. So enough about your freedom.

I agree research is important, so long as you have to ability to discern the research, understand what is statistically relevant and such. Sounds like you do; a lot of folks don't.

And the risks from the vaccine are way lower. That is the point. And you're ignoring the fact that to fight a global pandemic the more people of all ages vaccinated the lower the number of hosts for the virus to replicate.

Medicine is about benefit vs. risk. The math indicates that even ion younger people the risk of getting Covid far outweighs any risk with the vaccine. See my comment about benefit and risk; the risk of getting Covid are still much higher in the younger population than the risk associated with the vaccine.

Second opinions are always valuable. We encourage our patients to do so. But patients also will blindly come to us with stuff thy see on an an Internet website, insisting that we do it for them, when in reality it has nothing to do with their particular situation and could in fact do more harm than good. I work in reproductive medicine, been directing infertility labs for 40 years, have to regularly do continuing education to keep my board certification as does the physician (with 30 years experience) that I work with. Yet patients some times trust what someone says on Facebook more than what we tell them. We are seeing the same stuff with the Covid pandemic. You have epidemiologists and virologists and public health officials with a lifetime of training and expertise, yet folks would rather dismiss their expertise in favor of some conspiracy fueled nonsense on Facebook. I am dealing with this now with a group on Facebook insisting that pregnant women should not get vaccinated because it will kill their baby and such, when the recommendations from every leading women's health organization are that women get vaccinated in pregnancy, because Covid infections in pregnancy are more dangerous to the mother and the baby, leads to premature labor and a host of other issues.

Sweden and a couple other Nordic countries have temporarily suspended use of the Moderna vaccine in the under 30 group due to a slight risk (several per million) in myocarditis in that population. What you fail to note is they are recommending the Pfizer vaccine for that group. As for the Swedish health minister, he chose to buck most of the world's public health individuals and go a different route on requiring masks, quarantines, and such when the pandemic started. But the infection and mortality rate in Sweden was much higher than neighboring countries, which then caused Sweden to tighten their policies. You can look it up, it's all out there. Or you can choose to cherrypick like you've done with the vaccine recommendation in the under 30 group and ignore the whoel story. Your choice. How do you explain the deaths of those without unhealthy behaviors. They're out there, you know.

Ideally if you had enough donor organs such issues wouldn’t come into play. But transplant medicine has always included the willingness of a potential recipient to follow health guidelines as part of the recipient screening process. I’m glad you are an organ donor. But it seems you don’t understand much about the recipient side of the equation.

Your opinion. When you have a scarce resource, and the patient gives evidence they may not want to follow care orders from a physician, it weighs on the decision. I'm not saying it's the perfect way to do things, but that is some of the decisions that have to be made in transplants.

Schumer needs to just tell the American people that all on his side are voting for it, none on the other side, and that he can't force them to vote for it. Then let the debt collapse and people can decide who they want to blame.

If you are looking for lasting immunity you really need to somehow quantitate the memory B cell and the cellular immunity through T cells. Contrary to what is being said in this thread, a lot of people are working on the natural immunity issue. Studies from Israel and the Cleveland Clinic are very encouraging. A study of Kentucky residents shows a better immune response in vaccinated vs. natural immunity. For those previously infected, we just don’t know for sure who develops good antibody titers and for how long, so that’s why you can’t just say you’ve been infected and get a free pass.

You really need to measure memory B cell and Tcell responses ideally, both in vaccinated persons as well as those previously infected.

First an OAN video doesn’t inspire my confidence. Second, there is data indicating natural immunity gives protection, but to get that protection you have to get Covid and thus risk dying from the disease. Third, not all who get Covid mount a robust immune reaction whereas they do after vaccination. I would be all for people who have mounted a solid immune response to either not need a vaccine or perhaps get one shot of the mRNA vaccine as a booster; I think Israel is doing that. What you’d really need to have though for each patient is a measure of their memory B cell response and their T cell immunity, not just a simple antibody test. Those are what would confer long lasting protection. As for supposedy counting deaths wrong, no. Let’s say you have a heart condition but are managing it well. But you get Covid. Covid causes dramatic changes to your vasculature and thus your heart gives out. That is a death caused by Covid, not because you had heart disease.

If you are any of the others listed you wouldn’t make the list either. Transplant programs do psychological analyses to see if you will follow medical advice post-transplant. The three conditions you list indicate they wouldn’t. Quit being deliberately obtuse.

Showing lack of reading comprehension. There is a critical lack of organ donors in this country. Because of that, different medical conditions are historically used to distinguish who would get a donor organ when it becomes available. And if you have a medical condition that could put you at more risk of not surviving vs. someone who may have a longer life expectancy it comes into play. You cherry picked alcohol use but it could be a heart condition which was also mentioned or various other factors. And vaccinations against potentially fatal illnesses are factors that have to be considered, whether it be a Covid vaccine or hepatitis vaccine or do on. Organ donation is a horrendously difficult area of medicine, obviously for those who need the transplant but also for the health professionals who literally are sometimes put in the position of deciding who might live and who might die. I know folks that work in this field, and the emotional burdens are immense. So thanks for being a donor. Some day you are going to safe a life or two.

As a health care worker I am terribly sorry for anyone who is dealing with an illness so severe that organ donation is the only treatment opinion left. I work in reproductive medicine and have been called into ERs when a guy is lying brain dead, the wife wants you to freeze his sperm, and you have to tell her it likely won’t work. Not organ donation, but difficult decisions have to be made often in medicine under really emotional circumstances. In the case of organ donation you have limited resources. There are more people who need a kidney than there are donors. If you have to choose between two people who will die without a donor kidney, one is vaccinated and one is not, the vaccinated person is much less likely to get sick or die from Covid. I pity the medical professionals that might get put into such a situation, but selecting recipients based on medical history (such as history of alcoholism, severity of heart disease, and such) is unfortunately part of the process. I wish more people would consider organ donation for themselves and their loved ones.

About 5 years ago I predicted that the star NFL QB would become extinct after guys like Brady, Brees, Rogers, Big Ben retired. My logic was that the spread offenses and read option offenses that QBs run in college would never translate to the NFL game. Anyone surprised I’m not an NFL GM?

Spot on brother.

We need 537 people to step up, one in each congressional seat, one for each senate seat, and the president and Vice President. All who hold no allegiance to the extreme of either political party. 537 people who may be conservative on some issues, maybe more liberal on others, but willing to actually sit, deliberate, compromise and eventually pass legislation. 537 people interested in getting things done vs. playing cheap politics. I am convinced the majority of the people in this country fit into this model. For me you can start with a balanced budget amendment, term limits, and voting rights legislation.

Let them

If I were ever elected President, I would figure out what percentage of the debt each state owns, and which congressional district within each state owns, then tell the respective Senator and Congressperson they have two months to give me a plan to cut spending by 50% of what they owe. And if they don’t do it then I decide the cuts. I’d cut the executive branch budget by 50%. No more Air Force One, no state dinners, cut half the Cabinet departments. A budget would be written, and until accepted I’d veto every bill that came to my desk.

Despite the fact that it will hurt me as I contemplate heading towards retirement, let the debt ceiling expire. If one party has 50 votes to extend it it and the other party refuses to even vote, from a political standpoint you'd much rather be on the side of voting to increase vs. not. But to the main point, it is far past time for this country to reconcile its obsession with spending, and borrowing from our enemies to do so. Let our debt obligation collapse, let a true economic crisis ensue. That finally should convince not just politicians but all of us who vote for them and pretend that one side or the other pretend they are the party of fiscal discipline that is is time to really decide what the role of the federal government is, what it costs to do such, and to then craft a sensible tax strategy to pay our bills as we go and to pay down the debt that is killing our country.

Beasley has the right to express his views on vaccination as backward as they are. Athletes express their views on social media all the time and I’m not going to say only guys that express ideas I agree with should do so. But when any athlete does that, they have to expect blow back from fans who disagree with them. So for him to come out and basically insult the entire Mafia because a few folks don’t like his anti-vaccines stuff is way off base. I think part of this is he wasn’t targeted much Sunday. The guy is a great player for us, went out on a broken leg in the playoffs. He’s a competitor. Hope he catches 10 balls against the Chiefs. And I hope he either gets vaccinated or calm his overly aggressive social media posts.