oldmanfan

Maybe Gates put a chip in you and affected your use of grammar. I will guarantee when it comes to science and medicine I am smarter than you.

All right. Long drive now and game over.

What a play by Josh!

It’s not you effing dumb, it is you’re effing dumb. Now go look up the definition of irony.

I have not seen anything in DNA vaccines. I’ll have to check those out. It’s good Florida covers the monoclonal, but still it is better to prevent infection in the first place than to have to treat it. I’d like to see the data on monoclonal being used by a majority of vaccinated patients because the data I’ve seen from Florida indicates over 90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated individuals.

Ok boys, let’s matriculate the ball down the field!

Some good points. Two specific response: 1. Regeneron (the monoclonal treatment) is well known in the medical community. But I believe a dose of it costs around a thousand dollars while the vaccine costs the patient nothing. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. 2. I did a search of Covid and masks on Medline and over 2000 references showed up. I mentioned this earlier but will do so again. Reviewing the first 200 there were about 20 specifically addressing mask effectiveness, all showing beneficial effects of masks as a mitigating factor against droplet and aerosol spread. The studies are out there, the CDC lists them, the data overwhelmingly supports their use, but the non-believers refuse to believe data.

I like this. To get it we need a third party.

The fact you think Bill Gates is doing this says all we need to know about you.

Point by point: 1. I do not think the individual I was communicating with has had Covid and thus would not have natural immunity. We are not sure how long natural immunity lasts as of yet as well. 2. Congress screwed the small business owner. I said at the time money should go to those businesses and not the large corporations. 3. Before delta variant I would have agreed that children should be back without masks. Infections and hospital admissions in children has risen greatly in children, because the younger kids can’t be vaccinated and they are being used as political pawns. Kids should be back in school with masking as I have already indicated, all school employees should be vaccinated, and local communities monitor local infection and vaccination rates to dictate policies. Masks work as a mitigation, I have referred to the data, and that is incontrovertible. 4. Health care organizations like mine mandate Covid vaccination, just like we do for influenza and hepatitis. Why? Because the health of our patients come first. That’s the bottom line. I feel for our front line folks as I do for all health care workers dealing with this pandemic. They have been jncredible throughout this crisis. But the answer is simple: get vaccinated. Science says the benefits far outweigh any (mostly theoretical) risks, and health care workers should accept science. If you work in health care and have been vaccinated for other things but refuse Covid you have no leg to stand on. 5. What you call flip flopping is oftentimes how science and medicine work in a situation like a pandemic involving a new virus. As new data comes in you adjust recommendations. That said, communication should have been clearer in the last and current administration. Your comments seem to ignore how you best deal with a viral pandemic. You band together as a people and a community and do the things science tells you that work to halt progress and allow our way of life and economy to return. And that is vaccination. History tells us that. The alternative of just letting things go and relying on natural immunity would eventually work but at the cost of millions more lives. Is your answer anarchy?

I hope you’ll be OK. The mandate is because it is a public health issue. It does look like the delta may be burning out; hopefully the my or other variants don’t rise up. I think the most disappointing thing about Covid, apart from all the deaths of course, is it has revealed that we cannot come together as a society at a time of crisis. Watching the 9/11 coverage crystallized this thought for me. We used to band together as a society to defeat a common enemy.

Yes, this argument because vaccinations have been shown to be the most effective means of dealing with viral outbreaks. Data. Vaccinated people are less likely to become infected, less likely to infect others, and way less likely to become sick or die. Basic virology. Viruses can only replicate by entering cells and using the cell’s machinery. Vaccines traditionally stop viruses from doing that, thus virus can’t replicate, thus the amount of virus in the environment goes down, thus likelihood of infection and/or mutation goes down. This is basic stuff that scientists have know for decades if not centuries, such as when George Washington had his soldiers inoculated for smallpox. Some vaccines are more susceptible to vaccine development like measles, some are resistant like HIV and some are in the middle like Covid. New vaccine: the mRNA vaccine technology has been researched for decades. Earlier I showed you that long term side effects of vaccines are extremely rare, and that they usually show up within weeks. Covid vaccines have months of use with extraordinarily rare side effects. The benefit of vaccination far outweighs any supposed risk. And if you want a more “traditional” vaccine the J&J is there. These are the facts. Why do you insist on being so stubborn and not accept them? Saying you want to be free in red states really means you want to play Russian roulette with people’s lives. But then I guess when you die that’s the ultimate freedom. What specifically is so new that you are worried? I think I can alleviate your concern if you could express your apprehension.

It would be ideal if everyone would band together, care about their neighbor, and do what they can to get through the pandemic. But unfortunately it has become political for some dumb reason. Vaccine mandates are not new in any way. Should we now say forget measles vaccines and such?

Bills 27, Fish 16. Josh feasts on the Fish again. But I am worried about our O line in that heat.

Thank God they got him help in time.

In my first response to you I indicated Biden was wrong to do so.

Doctorate in Anatomy. Over 40 peer reviewed publications. Serve on an FDA advisory panel. Have had NIH funded research grants. Run several clinical labs. But you think you know more about science. A little surprised at the FDA vote on boosters, but it shows they evaluate data and make decisions based on science. Looks like they will approve a booster under EUA for those 65 and older.

Stop as in bring under control such that we do not need mitigation strategies like masks. It is clear that Covid is a different creature than say smallpox; we won’t get rid of it. I want it to be like the flu, get a booster every year, test in areas where there are outbreaks and have infected people isolate to prevent spread.

We have to hope Dawkins gets healthier but it takes a while to get over Covid. Williams had a bad game but that should be an aberration. But the interior? Hayward is a beast, true, but those guys have to step up. Otherwise we might need to get the 7th round rookie and Bates in there and see if there’s an upgrade to be had.

Because the red state governors are not following science. They are pandering. DeSantis wouldn’t need all the Regeneron if he focused on prevention in the first place. And we knew way before DeSantis started touting it that Regeneron was an effective treatment. I know folks at Eli Lilly who worked on it early on. I believe in mandated vaccines because it is the medically rational thing to do in order to control the pandemic. I have already commented on wanting more studies if natural immunity. As for Fauci, he is the world expert in infectious diseases, but he is not making decisions on his own. The CDC and FDA and thousands of dedicated scientists around the globe are working on this. As data comes in, recommendations follow. And despite all the hand wringing over long term side effects and such, medical treatments are based on benefit:risk ratio, and the benefits of vaccination far outweigh any risk. Outweighs it by miles and miles. Your last comment makes clear you’re not really interested in stopping this thing, and that you want to make it all about politics. You think those who want to fight are interested in living their lives and people like me who want to beat this thing are not. Frankly, your contention is ridiculous. Everyone wants to get back to normal, but your view will unnecessarily cause more death.

Thanks for clarifying. As for your red state comments, the data is pretty clear. Get people vaccinated and for those that cannot be vaccinated yet masks. I outlined this above. If every governor in every state was truly invested in making the best decisions to keep schools and businesses open and functional, based on available evidence, they’d be aggressive in educating their populations on what the science says. Rather, they are treating it as a political vs. a health issue and hiding behind individual choice, and ignoring that this is a public crisis that demands we all do our part. Here’s where I think we disagree. If you put 100 epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists in a room and asked for their scientific judgement on vaccines and masks, I would estimate that 95 of them minimum would take the affirmative position on both. You seem to imply because 5 of them differ their opinion should hold equal weight. That is not how scientific or medical treatments or advances work.

The division is already there.

I was going to say the same. I’m impressed by Scott.

You have to wait until the mandates are actually in place before you can see their effect.

I would refute your points but it is clear you have neither the education or willingness to understand anything scientific.