Heavy Kevi

Defense banged up but holding their own. Offense just needs to carry their own weight.

Chan Gailey would call a better offense. Just poor decision making, and no situational awareness. Couple more losses and it's time to clean out some offices

Honest question: why? Do you think it's personnel or Josh just doesn't have it?

Anybody NOT out on Dorsey at this point?

Honestly they just need to do the same thing they did with Miami and slow down receivers at the line. It's really obvious I don't really understand why they pretty much never do it, especially when facing a team that specializes in defeating zone defense like Cincy

Always Defer. Always.

Wouldn't be mad at also adding donkey Kong. But happy to see this for sure!

If anything we know that Josh and this team are massively influenced by bulletin board material and rematches of big losses. So I'm actually in agreement with you on this. I would not be surprised at all to smash Cincy and then lose to Denver or jets again.

All I read was Daboll needs to get fired and have a reunion in WNY

I'm not going to pick on you or call you stupid like others here... Honest question though: what have you seen that shows they aren't weak mentally? That's all I've seen for almost a year now. They don't handle adversity, not just not well, they don't handle it at all. Since GB last year it's a different team. You have to have seen that? No swagger. No killer instinct. Playing down to opponents. Josh struggling with easy throws or not making them. I'm actually beginning to think the team is giving up on the coaching as well. Josh is less engaged and less prepared this year than recent years, and seems to be not doing the things he was finally getting good at pre-snap. So I'm in general agreeance, and I posted as such yesterday; that they could go on a run late and have the talent to do so. But 3 losses already, and bad performances against bad teams... They need to pull it together QUICK

He does suck right now but that's not fair. He's a 70 year old man fresh off a major injury. One of the benefits of Von is this type of thing, and we should get all the value we can out of that contract right now. I'm not exactly expecting a big turnaround this year, but it's possible. These types of meetings can have a catalyst effect at times, and stranger things have happened. My only hope is what if we're like the 07 Giants. They started way worse and most fans were calling for a house cleaning (it was big talk in my hometown as Couglin is from there and his family still lived there). Everyone wrote them off. And then they took down Goliath in the SB and it was glorious. We have the talent. The only thing I'm afraid of is they won that year on the backs of their DL. Ours WAS amazing for awhile but they are banged up now. And it doesn't look like daquan makes it back this year at all. We're gonna have to make it on the backs of Allen and Diggs. They ARE good enough but they have to do it, and quick.

He's coming along nicely. We traditionally don't rely on rookies unless absolutely necessary (elam, benford) and tight ends aren't exactly known for their rookie production. Not to mention Dorsey's offense is disjointed. Even though Dalton didn't get the first down on the 3rd down reception, I liked seeing him really try for it. He seemed to have some rookie moments earlier this year, get mentally rattled, and had been more possession receiver out there. Glad to see him take another step towards being comfortable and having the game slow down a bit for him. He will be a true weapon for Josh and is one of the few players that will survive the roster turnover in the next 2 or so years. The next OC should be adept at utilizing TE or at least slot receivers (where he basically fits right in).

I wholly agree with your post. The OP isn't at all what I would prefer... But it's what I think is the most likely given the situation

Obviously there has been plenty of peril and hot takes, defenses of the team/staff, and basically a severe dressing down of any and all things Bills recently. The narrative has come out of the basement (our TBD safe haven), right into the national media. They love it and revel in seeing the Bills fall apart as they've so routinely gotten to enjoy. But that's not really the point here. This is more of a "next steps forward" thread. I believe I've gazed into a crystal ball and seen the future (ok so not really) but some things are aligning in a way that makes this seem highly plausible to me. The long and short of this "prediction" is this: -Team stays intact this year, and mostly next year. No big time trades or signings. Probably a mid-tier LB or shifty wr5 at the deadline but nothing major. Next year getting under cap will have some casualties. -Coaching stays (mostly) intact through next year. Sean gets his excuse again, and Dorsey is the sacrificial lamb. New oc likely to be promoted from within, or someone Josh is familiar with in one way or the other. -Next year they try one more time to "run it back". The team will again show flashes and have great games, but the old players will lose another step and/or get hurt again. Not sure Tre ever returns, and Von might be ruined, still not sure on that one. They make or miss playoffs but have a hard time winning more than a playoff game or 2. -Then the end of next year comes. It's time. It will be an off-season of attrition. HC gone, along with mostly all of the rest of the coaches. Big time roster turnover. Say goodbye to poyer, Hyde, Tre, von, Stef, Dion, Morse, prob Knox, etc. The priority keeps for the bills new coaching staff will be Allen, Kincaid, Torrence, Bernard, Rousseau, Milano (assuming he comes back into form). -Beane gets a fresh new coaching staff cycle to prove his worth. Despite it's warts, Beane has built a solid roster to win now. He will get benefit of the doubt thanks to injuries and coaching issues (from :13 to zombie like team attitude) -- Why do I think this? Well, the timing is baked in to the contracts and age of the team. For McD, he gets another get out of jail free card with the injury excuse and Dorsey's crappiness. But they also aren't going to want to change up coaching with the personnel we currently have on the roster. After next year, they can move on from big restrictive contracts like Stef and Von, but can't next year due to dead cap. The secondary will probably at least partially retire. Benford the new DB1. I think Beane senses this, and will be reticent to trade future assets unless he believes he is also on the hot seat. This old house needs to get younger and it's going to take a cap correction year to do so. So, in 2025 the team has a new HC and staff. Tons of new players, especially lots of young talent. The team shows renewed energy with the new coach at the helm, and the hype of a Josh Allen resurgence is on the lips of the media, and then.... In 2026 they launch with high expectations, in the NEW stadium, and the cash rolls in. I hate that this could take 3 years, but it feels almost inevitable to me when you weigh the age of the team, the contracts that need to be played out, and the theme of underperformance under McDermott. That's my take for most likely near to intermediate term outcomes, what's yours?

Like I've been saying since last year... This team is mentally weak. To me, that's their identity now. They can't handle adversity. Like any adversity at all. And the defense has been gutted with injuries to add on to the offenses woes. They are in a doom loop right now. Self fulfilling prophecy. They are beat before they step out there.

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I feel like there's almost no chance, but if I was Beane I'd be offering a 1st and a 3rd/4th to try and get this done. This iteration of our Bills is in it's late stages. There's about to be alot of roster turnover in the next couple years. ALL IN. Push them chips forward and try to get a Lombardi this year. The other superpowers are bolstering their rosters at this position right now too (hardman, Julio). It's an arms race.

Williams looks alot like Tremaine to me. Always around the ball but seemed to be chasing. Just my layman's observation Bernard seemed calmer. Last week after Milano went down I think he was a bit shaken, but a week to prepare seemed to smooth that out for him.

Yes he looks slow, labored, and like, well... He's rehabbing. When you got guys playing at a level that Greg, AJ, and Floyd have been, it's hard to justify putting von out there on meaningful snaps. I actually think this is like a pre-achilles Tre situation, where von is likely to not be good, let alone great, until next year. Difference is we have other impact players at Vons position, but didn't at Tre's, so he got lots of leash. And I'm pretty sure tomorrow is Von's 87th birthday, so there's that. I'm not there yet, but I'm not ready to write off that direction. I think if you do that, you are also making other moves (letting poyer, Hyde, Tre go) and having a dead cap year and a youth movement. And some new coaching, be it just OC or otherwise. Basically it would be moving on from this SB "window", and starting to chip away at the painted jams on the next window. This is basically the way I thought about last year. Time to call it with this group and shake it up. And maybe gain some mental toughness, since that is this team's tragic flaw. Wimpy, defeatist mindsets.

This. When there is no attention on him, he feasts. But when they are paying attention, he's not open because he doesn't have the whole route tree; and when you really need it, he drops the ball (in every literal and figurative sense). Hands is probably the biggest problem for him though. I think of a great #2 as a guy who may be physically limited enough to keep him from being a #1, but understands the game enough to be in the right place, and to CATCH the ball when it matters. Hines ward. Cole Beasley. wes welker. Julian Edelman. Some examples that fit that mold of not physically gifted but gamers when it matters. And the prototype at WR2. Not sure how much $.02 is worth these days with inflation, but there's mine

Donkey Kong still have any juice left? Wonder what a horrible harry reunion would cost in a trade?

It is no doubt a frustrating situation, NFL not caring about product or safety to make money, but it's not new. I figure they want to move the Jags to London, so giving them advantage to look good and gain fans over there makes sense if they want to get to that end But you can't just be mad at the league. Our offense did nothing. They were tired. Boohoo. The real thing to get mad about is how mentally weak this team is. It showed last year and it's rearing it's ugly head again this year. When they face adversity they pack it in and give up. All it took this time was jet lag. Yeah, that's all it takes to rattle this team.

How do you know? He signed here. It's not impossible to think he saw Bernards emergence and realized he doesn't have a chance to start, so he retired. I certainly don't know, but there is precedent for players unretiring when a team suddenly has a void at their position. It's not like he retired years ago, it was this camp and it's week 5

McDermotts defense is amazing when it has great players running it. But the zones get softer and softer the more backups are playing. Not really an excuse, gotta go more aggressive in those situations. But the offense is the identity of the team and needs to score more.

Great to see him making impact plays regularly. He's been invisible until this year.