JohnBonhamRocks

Familiar with the concept of conversation. My preference is to rely on facts, not repeat my opinion, fail to respond to the other person's points, and be condescending. I'm not mad at you either, I just disagree with your approach to conversation.

Hey you asked how he would contribute to the team and I answered. I'm not making a push for him to take carries away from McCoy, just explaining what value he can add to the team. It does take some time to prepare for two different style of back, and like I said, not knowing whether he is on the field to run, catch, or block is a strategic advantage, however big. If Tolbert were "really good," then he'd be a starter for a team. He's not, but he provides versatility, which is obviously valued by those running OBD.

It's less the slow and plodding, more the physicality and down-hill nature of his running. Just the change from a juking, shifty, quick McCoy to a straight-line runner like Tolbert is beneficial in that it requires opposing defenses to account for both running styles, not to mention the possibility that his last 3 years at fullback make whether he is blocking or carrying the ball an unknown. Tough to have production as a halfback when placed at fullback, but that's what happens when you're behind the likes of DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart (Whittaker and Artis-Payne aren't half bad either). Plus, he's shown ability as a pass-catcher. And if you're going as general as contribution to the team, then leadership and special teams, too. He's a do-it-all type (https://apnews.com/8b8f2058d7c84d6c85a966bd8878e333/veteran-fullback-tolbert-still-has-value-panthers).

Plus, Taylor has a Super Bowl ring. Not that it bears much on the argument regarding him being a capable starting QB for the Bills. But it's a fact.

On the Gillislee point, not only would he be HB2 and as mentioned probably get a hefty amount of carries, but he would also be great insurance in the very possible case McCoy goes down and likely heir apparent to the soon-to-be 29 year old.

^JfH, tough to imagine Mills as the most declined player. Woof...

Would rather wait for someone to get cut than trade away an asset for a HB. If we were going to allocate more resources to the position, then we should have kept Gillislee. (We should have tendered him at the higher amount anyways...). I do not share the optimism for Williams, although I do hope he ends up the player that his Arkansas output projected him to be. Regardless, I think Tolbert ends up solidly the HB2 to McCoy. Could be a great thunder to his lightning. I'm aware he hasn't had much production in his last few years in Carolina, but he was used almost exclusively as a FB. When called upon, he has shown he can be an effective runner - 4 seasons of 4.0 or higher YPC and has scored 7, 8, and 11 rushing TDs in single seasons. Do I think he's ideal? No, but I think he'll be enough considering the yards our halfbacks get before contact.

Team MVP: Dareus Offensive breakout star: Tolbert Defensive breakout star: Ragland Special teams breakout star: Rehkow Most improved: Darby Most declined: Glenn Rookie of the year: White Best 2017 Free Agent: Hyde Worst 2017 Free Agent: Hauschka Bounce Back Player: Watkins (Guy who had a bad 2016) "You still got it": Williams Bonus: Who sets a single season Bills record OR what Bills Season record is broken as a team? Watkins goes for more than 1,368 yards, breaking Moulds' 1998 single season record

Specifically re: the defensive backs, I don't think we have a shutdown corner or probably even a top 10 CB, but what I like is that we have a really solid CB1-3 (maybe even CB4 because McDermott seems to like Johnson), which is crucial given that teams will have 3 WRs out there most of the time. Hyde seems like a big piece of the puzzle. I'm not sold on Poyer, but am open to giving him a shot. Overall, the defensive backfield should not be what holds us back. It would more likely be linebacker scheme fit and defensive line depth, unless Poyer is not who McDermott seems to think he is.

I think Decker is way better than Holmes and Streater. I get that is different from being the same type of player, but that's like saying a team doesn't want DeSean Jackson because they have Roscoe Parrish, assuming Jackson and Parrish are the same type.

Don't believe it. But if it were true, whatever was said to Kyle Williams to get him on board must have been a lie that is bottom-of-the-barrel scummy.

Tend to agree here. If he realizes his potential, all the others will be freed up considerably. Edited that because, like above, we know Dareus' and Hughes' potential, but also know both can be stupid (mostly off and on the field, respectively). Don't care how much raw talent is there, if the guy is riding the bench or losing us big chunks of yards from penalties, then it's offset quite a bit. Re: Williams and Lawson, a big part of the line's production, imho, will be how well Worthy and Washington perform spelling them off.

On that note, and I hate to be that guy, but got a link to that article? Sincerely would like to read it.

So long as he's not Stoop Kid...

Re: WR, Enunwa has really impressed IMHO

Agreed. Very few fans would be disappointed in a first round playoff loss, despite what they might say. Breaking the curse would be huge. Plus, who knows what happens what you get that playoff berth? Injuries, bounces, momentum, weather, and human referees are all part of the game. Our offense is not good enough to take over a game and win it on its own accord, but it is most certainly good enough to win games with a serviceable defense not mismanaged by the Ryan-ling Bros. Circus.

He hasn't even won a single game the whole time he has been here! Hasn't even won the offseason, and what's worse said he's not even into winning the offseason!!!

I tried looking that up on Wikipedia and fell into the Matrix.

Thirded. The kid blows out his knee in training camp and we could never see him carry a football again.

The one that bugs me the most is not protecting Hughes, but then again I cannot say for sure who I would replace. Probably Dawkins, but I can't take too much issue with having two solid OTs. I would have to agree that Dareus wouldn't be protected. Let some other team take on that contract if they want.

Good idea, thanks! EDIT: for others, it doesn't work between Explorer and Chrome.

Anyone know how to get past the Buffalo News weekly allotted amount of free articles online? Other than subscribing?

Comparing that to Jonathan Williams' 3.5 YPC last year, plus his fumble problems, I continue to think it is possible. Jackson's 3.8 YPC in 2015 (edit: originally said last year by mistake) is the same as his 3.8 YPC in 2012 when he rushed for 437 yards. And I have to disagree with the notion that NFL teams rarely make poor decisions.

Boldin had 8 touchdowns last year, so I don't think that's correct. Jackson played in 2015, albeit not much.

He really was. But yeah, for all the back and forth, I think we're actually saying the same thing: Jackson likely will not play again, but it could happen given the correct circumstances. Is there a report that he hasn't had any teams contact him? Or is that just from him saying he'll wait for them to contact him?